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Old 12-21-2018, 10:01 AM   #6501
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The Concourse link above is actually a pretty good read for catching up on the tunnel.
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Old 12-21-2018, 10:44 AM   #6502
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The two articles are getting very hung up on the vehicle being used not the tunnel itself. This is approaching the problem completely wrongly. Tunnels are the ****ing expense, not the vehicles in there.
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Old 12-21-2018, 12:22 PM   #6503
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The two articles are getting very hung up on the vehicle being used not the tunnel itself. This is approaching the problem completely wrongly. Tunnels are the ****ing expense, not the vehicles in there.
The expense of the vehicles isn't the issue. The terrible design and planning is. The tunnel is no better than a single lane underground highway (worse as currently designed with guard rails and doohickeys attached to the vehicles). He claims absurd throughput rates that assume no traffic bottlenecks at either end. None of it makes any sense at all.

The best case for this is that it becomes an underground highway system that requires autopilot compatible vehicles that communicate with the system to keep traffic flowing more efficiently. But there's no innovation there.
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Old 12-21-2018, 12:24 PM   #6504
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And if your argument is that Elon has found some new hyperefficient way to dig tunnels... Lol
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Old 12-21-2018, 12:33 PM   #6505
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Even the underground automated highway view of it is ridiculous unrealistic from what I can see. Tunnels are literal death traps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottha...ision_and_fire) and so you still need escape routes, escape exits, lighting, ventilation, room for emergency services, etc.
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Old 12-21-2018, 12:37 PM   #6506
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The simplest problem is the elevators kill throughput. You need side tunnels for slowdown and on-ramping.You need public works through already plumbed/corded ground for every elevator, which is extremely expensive. And elevators do what, 2 cars/minute?

It's the dumbest idea in modern history. Nice to see the idiot getting mocked for it. If it was the Ford CEO with this pure bull**** he'd be put in a straightjacket. Elizabeth Holmes could also spew similar BS and get away with it...frauds are great at creating cults of personality.
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Old 12-21-2018, 12:53 PM   #6507
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I just assumed elevators weren't even part of the final plan. You'd need at least dozens of elevators to get his claimed throughput rates so some kind of spiral onramp makes way more sense
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Old 12-21-2018, 02:45 PM   #6508
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I'll just say this about the tunnels. If something like this is actually viable for the future, then I can at least appreciate the attempt no matter how stupid it may seem. Gotta start somewhere...

That said, The Emperor's New Clothes. Trump and Musk are so full of themselves they don't even care how idiotic they look. They just care that they're getting all the attention and do whatever mental gymnastics is necessary to deflect blame and/or self aggrandize in any and all endeavors they partake in.

It doesn't even mean they're bad people, just that some things like being the center of attention is hyper important and supersedes something like, say, the well being of another human being(s). They may even care truly about the well being of another person(s), but the conflicts and rationalizations that go on in their head, to any normal, rational person, is going to look bizarre and, in many cases, evil to them. Ergo the hatred and mockery.

It's very easy for people like that to just piss everyone off and magnetize hatred and insults ad nauseam, because that's the natural reaction of your typical/average/normal/conventionally thinking person toward the standard behavior of guys like Trump and Musk. I think people forget who they're observing and/or dealing with. Their reactions would garner less volatility if you just kept in mind these aren't normal people. They're pathological at worst, and extremely eccentric w some real blinds spots at best.

/armchair psychology
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Old 12-21-2018, 03:11 PM   #6509
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I'll just say this about the tunnels. If something like this is actually viable for the future, then I can at least appreciate the attempt no matter how stupid it may seem. Gotta start somewhere...

That said, The Emperor's New Clothes. Trump and Musk are so full of themselves they don't even care how idiotic they look. They just care that they're getting all the attention and do whatever mental gymnastics is necessary to deflect blame and/or self aggrandize in any and all endeavors they partake in.

It doesn't even mean they're bad people, just that some things like being the center of attention is hyper important and supersedes something like, say, the well being of another human being(s). They may even care truly about the well being of another person(s), but the conflicts and rationalizations that go on in their head, to any normal, rational person, is going to look bizarre and, in many cases, evil to them. Ergo the hatred and mockery.

It's very easy for people like that to just piss everyone off and magnetize hatred and insults ad nauseam, because that's the natural reaction of your typical/average/normal/conventionally thinking person toward the standard behavior of guys like Trump and Musk. I think people forget who they're observing and/or dealing with. Their reactions would garner less volatility if you just kept in mind these aren't normal people. They're pathological at worst, and extremely eccentric w some real blinds spots at best.

/armchair psychology
I think that's wrong. Right now it's desperation, and cornered rats will do anything to try to get out of their situation.

Musk probably knows what he is proposing with the tunnels is complete BS, but he needs money to go into the Boring Company so he can use it to prop up Tesla, imo. Tesla is right now in a very desperate situation and they need to post free and clear cash by 1/1 as audited or its literally lights out. Hence, any BS to live another day, even if he himself can't buy into it.

Trump's recent actions make sense if you assume his thinking is along the lines of 2020 re-election being impossible due to the upcoming market crash. In which case, do everything you wanted to do because **** it you are the President; if you aren't getting re-elected in 2020 anyway then what other people think doesn't matter any more.
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Old 12-21-2018, 03:51 PM   #6510
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THe best part is even Boring Company's concept art video basically shows an underground highway.

The demos are just to get funding anyway. Musk is planning to dig tunnels for basically everything that a small tunnel is useful. I find it quite possible that Musk will even build a bigger version that can accommodate subway cars.

The Boring Company ain't going to make or break Tesla. They are just on totally different scales and timelines.
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Old 12-21-2018, 04:56 PM   #6511
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THe best part is even Boring Company's concept art video basically shows an underground highway.

The demos are just to get funding anyway. Musk is planning to dig tunnels for basically everything that a small tunnel is useful. I find it quite possible that Musk will even build a bigger version that can accommodate subway cars.

The Boring Company ain't going to make or break Tesla. They are just on totally different scales and timelines.

Just to be clear, you watched the boring co presentation and think this is a real, viable business?

I also feel obligated to point out that “a bigger version that can accommodate subway cars” is literally just a subway...
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Old 12-21-2018, 05:25 PM   #6512
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I don't see how Boring isn't short sighted and idiotic

I mean yes it would be really nice to go underground and avoid traffic. That said, it is completely inefficient. I think the future is mass transit like subway systems which are combined with autonomous fleets (eventually) completing the journey to a final destination complimenting it.

IMO driving your own car should become more and more of a luxury. I'm all for small government but things like roads/transportation is somewhere they should step in imo. First of all they control the land use rights. On top of that it takes a near impossible amount of organization and cooperation to make these projects come together. The running and management of these things could also be privatized to some degree

Traffic and congestion is baked in to the price of everything we buy. It's totally inefficient. On top of that it's a waste of people's time and quality of life. Idling in traffic is incredibly wasteful and bad for the environment. The amount of wasted efficiency and pollution created by people driving their own cars vs an electric subway system in metropolises is astronomical. It also reduces inequality on a social level. A car will become more of a toy than a tool, like a fancy watch.

Traffic in LA is awful. An underground network that moves people on a large scale is going to benefit everyone (if they can make the numbers work). What musk is proposing is like a super high tech H.O.V. lane. It's short sighted and barely even useful in the short term. What's valuable is having Musk the center of attention
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Old 12-21-2018, 05:53 PM   #6513
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Just to be clear, you watched the boring co presentation and think this is a real, viable business?

I also feel obligated to point out that “a bigger version that can accommodate subway cars” is literally just a subway...
There is definitely a "boring" business digging tunnels.

Musk has shown himself to be amazing at getting public funding. All he needs is one major municipality to give him a "boring" contract to extend some subway line and he's in business.

It's pretty much the SpaceX route: old tech+disregard for safety+getting government money.

One NYC subway line extension, taking the 7 train further west into NJ for example, alone can net him hundreds of millions.

All that said, as it stands, The "Boring" Company has yet to present a viable business model. Musk basically: I got a shiny new toy that is also a tech demo showing we got the engineers to build a tunnel "boring" machine.
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:46 PM   #6514
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Old 12-21-2018, 08:28 PM   #6515
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Elon’s whole premise is building tiny cheap tunnels. That’s not plausible for any actual infrastructure project. First, because they’d need to be actual mass transit and big enough to support large multi passenger vehicles. Second, they’d need to support all the things that public projects require: evacuation routes, room for emergency services, places for maintenance to happen. And so on and so on.
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Old 12-21-2018, 09:47 PM   #6516
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I think everyone is missing a key point. This isn't for poor people. Regular people will still be stuck in traffic with ****ty mass transit options upstairs. The tunnel will be for relatively small amounts of wealthy people to skip traffic. But he's gotta sell it to the masses. Taxpayers will probably pay for it too.
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:25 AM   #6517
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Why is the list of scandals about Musk so long?

They are all part of Elon-gate.

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Old 12-23-2018, 06:28 AM   #6518
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I don't know much of anything about Musk's magical tunnels.

But I do know that his cars get heavy govt subsidies, his solar panels get heavy govt subsidies, and his rocket company works directly with tax dollars.

It is no coincidence that he would be getting into another industry that relies on heavy government support/tax brakes/incentives/etc. The economics of any tunnel depend on the fed/state/local money. This is Musk's specialty.
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:51 AM   #6519
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Lol at wsj story about musk using spacex funds to fund boring company


Anyone who thinks musk is anything but a conman is a moron.
after reading that wired article, he is something else and that is total piece of **** bully with likely mental issues. gotta feel sorry for ppl who work there to be treated like that.
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Old 12-23-2018, 10:40 AM   #6520
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At this stage he might be one the biggest cucks/losers that ever lived (although he's paradoxically also one of the greatest frauds of our generation)
I really feel sorry for you, I can feel the hatred in your posts. I wonder what he did to you to piss you off so much? Did you lose a **** ton on the stock or something? He's a billionaire and makes cars people LOVE, how does this make him a failure? What have you done in your life to be compared 0.0001% to what he has done? Along with revolutionary concepts he is also trying to save the world at the same time.

Clearly your life must be extremely miserable..
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Old 12-23-2018, 03:33 PM   #6521
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Revolutionary concepts? Saving the world?
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:31 PM   #6522
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSLTNjGI8hw

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Old 12-24-2018, 05:09 AM   #6523
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Along with revolutionary concepts he is also trying to save the world at the same time.

Car-centric transport, especially with only 1 person in the car, is the opposite of saving the world.
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Old 12-24-2018, 07:44 AM   #6524
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I really feel sorry for you, I can feel the hatred in your posts. I wonder what he did to you to piss you off so much?
I don't like frauds and liars. I go off on people who push ICOs and penny stocks as well. It's nothing to do with Musk himself and everything to with him being a fraud and liar who's causing enormous waste and environmental damage.
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Did you lose a **** ton on the stock or something?
No, Musk has been wonderful for my bank account.
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He's a billionaire
WTF does this have to do with anything?? Elizabeth Holmes and Madoff were billionaires too. This is just showing your following of him is a partly a will-to-power nerd dream.
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and makes cars people LOVE, how does this make him a failure?
He's great at lying and hustling money, including vast sums of taxpayer money. He's one of the best money hustlers/fraudsters of our generation. Elizabeth Holmes had similar talents. Anyone in the world could make cars people LOVE if they receive $9 billion in paid-in capital and $5 bilion in government subsidies,money which could have gone to poor people or fusion research. In return for this vast $14 billion sum he's made a tiny number of highly environmentally damaging toys for rich people. Of course they love them! Rich people are getting fun, non-commercially-viable prototype sports cars with a $20K subsidy per car!

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What have you done in your life to be compared 0.0001% to what he has done?
I'm a far better human being than Musk. Hobos are better human beings than Musk. Musk has had a massively negative effect on the environment and wealth. I on the other hand don't have a massively negative impact on the world. Ergo I am better.
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Along with revolutionary concepts he is also trying to save the world at the same time.
Most of the great fraud weave this into the narrative, so that suckers like you lap it up and defend them. Nothing Musk does is helping "save the world". In fact, his massive misallocation of capital is bad for the world.

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Clearly your life must be extremely miserable..
Clearly YOUR life be extremely miserable if you give me the same response to an (evidenced) critique of your hero that a Scientologist or feminist follower of Elizabeth Holmes would give. Stop enabling a fraud and liar bro. There are plenty of heros to choose from, why you're buttstopping a highly wasteful liar and fraud is beyond me. Even in his absolute best interpretation, Musk has zero skills except being a big balls dishonest money hustler.

If you want a hero, make a hero of Tom Mueller, the guy who built SpaceX with his genius. But he doesn't bang movie stars or throw out dopey meme references that nerds can get excited about. Your worship of Elon is so pathetic and dumb.
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First thing i thought when seeing that vid of the car in a narrow tunnel was wf if theres some fire it looks crazy dangerous. Also dont these cars have some issues with catching fire seemingly out of nowhere.
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