At the end of the day, with probable number fudging and all, Tesla delivered what analysts and market observers expected it to.

Are they pumping Q3 so hard to make it easier to raise capital?

OK, maybe it's 80. I don't want to turn this into a politics discussion so I'll just leave you with this:

ECTAE didn't mention wealth.
I don't see what wealth has to do with it anyway, unless you are claiming wealthy people don't commit crime!

I don't think many people are that sheltered, that they need studies to highlight that high IQ people commit crime. The link was just a quick google search, to nudge ECTAE into reading up on it.

Here's one for you

Billionaires and former billionaires who have spent time behind bars
https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakr.../#34819ef22107

That is a really low IQ interpretation of things.
A bungling international billionaire businessman, who the establishment, the media, FBI, ex CIA heads, hollywood, established political dynasties etc, can't take down or defeat? And other countries can't outmaneuver in trade talks? Despite him having likely dementia?
Really? You are going to dumb down things that much?

Sorry, but it really annoys me how we can't enjoy anything anywhere anymore, without someone's TDS popping up. Can we keep Trump and Kavanaugh out of it? Just a polite request. We get it surround sound 24/7 everywhere else.

Yes, most bear thesis rely on their inability to raiss capital

Wonder what kind of tweets elon is sending to his babysitter right now


Cant be happy about stock being down on his semi fudged delivery numbers and likely gaap loss upcoming

Sell the news obv.

Do you understand how IQ works? The average person is 100. That is roughly 80% of the population. 10% taper down below that all the way to severe mental disability and incompetence. The other 10% taper up to something like 250. There's like 10 people in human history that high. I think Einstein and Hawking didn't even reach 200. Maybe 175-190 or sth.

I think a lot of people misunderstand that as you go up in IQ it's not linear. It's exponential. The guy getting straight As in high school and a 4.0 in college has to work hard at 120 prob. At 130, just has to work but not too much effort. At 140, breezes right through. A 200 IQ is ****ing superhuman.

President Trump has a vocabulary, demeanor, and business acumen that all reflect an IQ nowhere near 200. Not even 120, really.

His business resume has mixed results and a rich father who bailed him out anytime he ****ed up. He inherited like $40 million young and at best he's got a $1-3 billion net worth. Which basically means he managed to not lose all his money over 50+ years while any idiot could've just owned QQQ for the same return and orders of magnitude less risk of ruin. At worst, he's in debt to the Russians but it's impossible to know because #TaxReturns and zero transparency as to his true assets and liabilities.

People think he's stupid because he's so arrogant, egocentric, and oblivious about everything he speaks publicly on. Most people don't understand that is not a reflection of his IQ, it's a reflection of mental instability and one or possibly more mental disorders. His lack of understanding and unimpressive vocabulary screams average to above average IQ.

Musk is definitely in the 120-140 range. People think he's a raging moron because of some decisions he makes, but that too is reflective of mental instability. He is crazy, not stupid, to borrow a phrase from the movie Speed. He might also be on speed.

The subject is way more complex than that and I have a shallow understanding of it. Those are my guesses and I spoke in generalities. In b4 EQ

Most modern IQ tests don't even go up to 200. By the time you get to like 130 140s, you're starting to look at people who are basically off the charts in some areas of IQ (scoring perfect or near perfect in those areas) while losing points in others.

There is actually a lot of literature on the education of gifted children. What the studies found was traditional IQ tests often underestimate the "intelligence" of certain extremely gifted children (savant/quasi-savant level gifted) because they are off the charts on certain parts of the IQ test.

Another thing the studies found was many of these children with unbalanced skillsets often pick up learning disabilities because they overcompensate with the more gifted parts of their cognitive skillset. By the time this behavior is detected, often the brain is wired and the child has become an adult with a diagnosable learning disability.

For example, one of the most common situations that may fit Musk is children with extraordinarily high comprehension and intuition skills often never learn how to organize information because the answer basically pops up in their heads. This is kind of a problem when they finally get to really difficult problems where the answers don't just pop up in their heads. Unfortunately, for a lot of these kids, that may happen when they are an adult (in grad school?) when it's already too late.

Musk isn't a genius. He's far below a genius but has high energy/drive and trusts his own mind over what other people say. Over time with this philosophical view of the world, the skillset for independent thinking develops. Amazingly, not many people develop that, even though you basically have to do that to be other than a moron. It's part of why Musk is so accessible and likeable - he's a dumbass who's thought everything through himself and thus appeals to other dumbasses who haven't done that.

The trouble with Musk is that he's a) not too bright and b) also a grandiose narcissist, so he misjudges badly and can't see details well. Geniuses see detail. In fact, rich detail is the hallmark of genius - it's a sign your brain is running well and your mental models are rich and complex and self-correcting. Musk is a spaghetti coder and is poor at modeling the minds of others. That's like the opposite of genius. He's a driven, risk taking, original thinker of the average IQ of a physics graduate - 120 to 130 maybe, with a lot of personality flaws and no obvious signs of genius. Drugs and age are affecting him now.

Trump is >110 IQ. Musk would probably outscore him by sheer training in the kind of things that IQ tests ask. Hard to say who's smarter at general cognitive ability. Trump is way faster at situational understanding, hes a high level genius at reading mood and understanding complex social dynamics. Ironically with merely high average verbal intelligence, an amusing mix which makes him seem easy to stump until he zings you. Clinton in constrast has extremely high level verbal intelligence with low level intelligence at reading mood and understanding social dynamics. Anyway, as for Musk, he's 23 years younger, which is a big thing. I'd give the lead to Musk, but if Trump has spent his life doing physics, or at the same age, I'd give the lead to Trump.

I assume you're referring to Hill and not Bill.

what drugs is musk on?

meth

lsd which should boost his creativity for a while afterward. you cant take lsd in succession it does nothing but once a week or once a month it could be fairly effective as long as you stay off twitter. people also microdose this and mushrooms to gain creativity

he does mj...no big deal

im assuming he does just about everything else (not opiates) but stuff like coke mdma. meth? maybe but he could also have a prescription for ritalin / adderal / wellbutrin / tianeptine. i think if he was doing meth we'd know about it by now because it induces punding behavior which is fairly obvious. anyway hes a druggie

I never mentioned Trumps IQ. I don't think it will be high. I was saying I don't believe the bumbling dementia angle, while he is renegotiating many international deals in America's favor.
He's definitely not stupid or unstable, or he would have been taken down by now. In fact, he wouldn't have defeated the MSM, Clinton & Bush dynasties to win the presidency, while running an international business. There is no question he has been successful in his career. Anyone who disagrees, isn't thinking honestly.

No offense, but your post has signs and buzzwords of TDS.
Russians
mental instability
oblivious about everything he speaks on
stupid
one or more mental disorders


As well as minimizing the business acumen of someone who has revived parts of New York. Built skyscrapers, and owns businesses all over the world.
He was charging people $5 million to use his name. Which shows he had a good name, before the democrats/msm decided he was the devil.
I'm not buying it. Nor am I buying he is going to nuke the world! I'm not that gullible.

Musk - High IQ. But a fraudster imho. He can't even turn a profit in some businesses, despite having the msm running his PR.
The tents and trailers stuff is hilarious. So much for a high IQ!

It's a fascinating time, when people believe everything the media tell them. A hugely successful long term international businessman is "oblivious about everything he speaks on", while a guy making poorly assembled cars in a tent, is a genius. It's like a mass hysteria is affecting half the western world.
Peace

I think bush and clinton were reported to be in the 140 range for iq. so im guessing trump isnt 110-120. he is higher but he has a very limited vocabulary for someone that effective and he acts like a petulant child but he has some serious skills...as much as i hate his style he is exceptional at implementing policy im not sure if its iq(as he would like us to believe) . I think he surrounds himself with better people and theres a lot of turnover until he has an all star team doing everything

lol at musk vs trump. I'd take musk over trump on the Wonderlic test for the max.

Elon may be a space cadet and even with trump on the narcissism scale, but it's no contest in raw intelligence/problem solving.

every pothead that watched Elon hit that blunt will confirm that Elon is not a regular or even occasional MJ user. it looked like it was his first time. didn't even inhale.

The IQ convo is boring, please stop

I know you didn't. You probably aren't reading every post in the thread.

That's cool, but there is definitely evidence to suggest the possibility he is indeed suffering from the early stages of dementia. I don't really think one way or the other on it.

You do realize it's not just him doing everything, right? He has spoken publicly about foreign trade and has shown he understands general ideas and principles, but he has also made tweets and public statements that have shown he literally doesn't know what he's talking about at that particular moment. He is remarkably unaware of himself that it's not possible to be as intelligent as some people want to think. Intelligent people just don't do and/or say many of the things he's done and said.

Feeling the need to tweet that you are a stable genius speaks for itself. There is a litany of other evidence to suggest he clearly is mentally unstable in some way. As far as stupidity goes, I didn't say he was stupid. I said people think he is stupid because they're focused on his irrational behavior and not any evidence suggesting he's at least above average in intelligence.

This section of your post is extremely misleading. Those are buzzwords to you because you either aren't interested in responding to the actual context, or aren't capable of it. I didn't even state my opinion of him anyway. I stated some facts mixed in with general observations I've made of him since the beginning of his campaign.

Like I said, he's had a mixed bag of results from the business world. You are conveniently ignoring his reputation for ripping people off, multiple bankruptcies, documented scams, and a wealthy father to bail him out when needed and leave him a massive inheritance. I never said he was a complete failure and I left all that out of my previous post.

I dunno what you're talking about regarding him being the devil and nuking the world. You watch too much TV. I don't need the media to make observations when I can just listen to him speak publicly live, read about his documented past, and read his past and present tweets.

Not sure why you keep bringing up the media, but I don't get my information from CNN and MSNBC lol. You cherry pick too much. I would argue Musk has actually had a more successful run in the business world than Trump has. Never really pondered that, Musk comes from wealthy money as well. ToothSayer has mentioned his father has bailed him out of jams as well too. I'm not familiar with Musk's history so I dunno. And again, it is impossible to know Trump's net worth because everything is privately owned and his assets and liabilities cannot be properly calculated. Only estimated, and on very limited information. Though it's not likely, it's even possible President Trump is worth $10 billion, but his behavior suggests otherwise.

Sorry, syndr0me. That'll be my last post on this derail.

Hard to say. I think Azealia Banks said he was dropping acid when she put him on blast. It was pretty clear that he made several tweets while ****ed up on something. I think he tweeted once that he drank wine with Ambien to explain some of his bizarre behavior. Who knows. I think he just did whatever Grimes did while they were together.

You guys place any chances at the judge not agreeing the settlement ?

Very low (non-zero, but almost zero). Appeals courts have been consistently smacking down district court judges that refused to sign off on settlements with government agencies (a few cases coming out of the 2007/2008 financial crises. There are similar trends in antitrust and environmental spaces too.)

@myrna zero


I dont want him to either


The more i think about it the SEC settlement is basically putting the pressure on the board along with laying a foundation of a civil suit against them if they dont follow the rules outlined. Basically to put a leash on their *****, or else.


Also i think all of them are garbage so when musk breaks the rules, which he will, i hope they get whats coming to them.