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On a marginally different note, we’re probably about 5, 10 at most, possibly fewer, years away from:
1. Enough (think 50-80k stations with ~300k charge points to cover non-boondocks areas of USA. This is probably optimistic within 5 years and assumes an acceleration from the roughly 10-15% annual growth. I think this is reasonable, with existing gas stations likely to install charging stations as density of EVs rises.
2. Battery and charging tech getting to the point of getting 200 miles off a 5 minute charge. Technology already exists for this. It’s just not commercialized yet.

The combination of the two will take EV out of the niche tree hugging market.

Once cars (and transportation) are all on the electric grid, it will get a whole lot easier to switch to alternative sources of energy.

The irony is all of that is bad for tesla, but good for everyone else

It’s (probably) GREAT for Tesla if Tesla survives five years.

Welp. It seems TS has no counter evidence. Shocker. Another fraud exposed.

grizy,

That is terrible for Tesla. What is the value-add of supercharging stations in that scenario? They can barely sell cars with virtually no competition, why would they be better with a ton?

Also, electric cars, if anything, will have a negative impact on switching to alternative fuel sources due to the infrastructure issues that inherently come with trying to convert a massive % of energy consumption from one type to another. (Pray for smart grid tech, which also weirdly allows the power company to know when you normally wake up, whether you dry your hair, etc etc etc)

hahaha what a cuck!

God, this is comical. Been slowrolling Mikhel (and didn't respond initially) because his suspicious-minded Aspie confirmation bias is highly predictable and also hilarious self ownage. Everything is true in what he quoted of mine and backed up by multiple posts.

Did you read my post and the links? If both those handles are indeed TS, then that actually proves you wrong...I really don't understand why you think you "exposed" him and I'm not sure why you care so much. It's bordering on obsessive. I checked the dates and everything does indeed line up. Not really sure why you're saying otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

Given your poor reputation in the politics forum, one would think you'd have re-evaluated your approach to posting, yet here we are...

Half your posts in this thread are literally you saying basically nothing and the word cuck somewhere in the post. It's getting really annoying.

Got to love the market just shrugging off that conference call.

It's not news Musk has no respect for the bankers and analysts that fund his passion projects.

Quite Trump of him.

@syndr0me & teflondawg - you guys do realize that the financial statements are audited by an independent accounting firm (no serious investor would touch a stock where they knew the accounting was questionable) and that Musk is criminally liable for signing off on a fraudulent financial statement right? Civil lawsuits filed by shareholders aren’t about fraud in the criminal sense. And has there ever been a frivolous shareholder lawsuit filed? Teflondawg, you need to show your work about TSLA and the SEC.

Look, I have no position in TSLA. I find it hard to justify its market cap but I defer to the market when push comes to shove.

As I've said (and the clucks haven't understood) is that Tesla is very high beta. The market is king, which is why it ran up to $380 in the first place - the Trump rip. It doesn't show up in stats because Tesla has under performed in various ways since hitting $240 four years ago, but if Tesla has been sold down and the market rips off lows (especially tech) in a very positive day, Tesla will rip at a beta of 3-5, regardless of news. My theory is that it's a combination of a low active float (insiders and no-sell institutions own over 70%), shorts covering from the huge short float, and algos who trade this name. For example, Tesla can be sold down on horrible news, but if the market buys up at open, it'll rip back to even in minutes, even if the news is bad enough that it eventually ends down 7% for the day. That's pure algo action and not driven by humans.

The more worthless and crappy the stock, the more it acts like this in a bull market. The worst of the .coms, with certain bankruptcy and zero path to profitability, ripped the most in 1999/2000. Enron did too.
His passion projects? Musk continues with Tesla as a vehicle to get rich and live a billionaire lifestyle. The green con is just that - a con. He's pledged $3.5 billion in Tesla stock to get his $650 million in loans. Keeping Tesla's stock price up is his sole means of survival. It all goes belly up if Tesla does. Had he not knowingly deliberately lied about 2017 M3 production he knew to be impossible, the stock would have gone down to $200 or so, and he would have faced a margin call on close to half his holdings. Dude, just recently "serious investors" - some of the most serious in the business - were piling into Valeant above $100 after it was obvious to anyone with any experience that this was pure accounting fraud and going a lot lower. How many times did Enron buy up off lows?

As for the market, if the tech bubble of 2000 and Valeant don't convince you, look at subprime CDOs. They were selling like hotcakes to investors all levels when they were predictably purely worthless if you only read the prospectuses. The market is seriously stupid. Closer to home, the divergence between Tesla bonds and equity shows that the market can't even price consistently internally.

Shades of Dick Fuld.

TD,

Those posts very clearly do not have the same dates as the graph. Why would you make such an overt lie? Maybe you're a TS gimmick account?

TS,

More like hoping no one notices you've been a fraud for years and make up so much nonsense it is hard to pin you on anything. You literally juxtaposed a bear and bull case for Tesla which is totally insane. More insane than you views on business or finance, which you apparently understand little about as per the extensive discussions. (We can set aside grammar where you resorted to making up fake phrases.)

Graph from October 21st 2013 until today.

I worked for PwC and regularly deal with auditors, you don't know how things work, especially when it's a gray area like presentation. Businesses have lots of leverage over audit firms and it's hard to test everything.

Also I don't think the financials are blatantly fraudulent, I think musk's claims are fraudulent tho

This picture shows MSFT outperforming AAPL.

In the Apple thread, TS has multiple posts where all he does is **** all over AAPL and consistently points out that MSFT is a better investment and with lower volatility. He's been espousing such a sentiment since 2012...

What exactly is my overt lie?

This pic is showing MSFT outperforming AAPL as well. Was that the point of posting this, or am I missing something?

That wasn't really what I was trying to say but...

Tesla Kept Quiet About A Year-Long Formal SEC Probe Into The Model 3

Tesla: Where Is The SEC?

Tesla Lawyers Step In To Clarify Confusing Elon Musk Statement During Earnings Call

I posted the graph just because I didn't know where the stocks stand and thought it might be beneficial to others as well. I have no dog in this race.

TD,

Does TS state that the graph is suppose to represent his results from the day of his first post in that thread to the current date?

Does it actually show that?

You don't seem to think through things with any sort of clarity so I'm trying to make this as simple as possible for you to understand. Let me know if I need to explain this in even more granular detail tho.

IMHO if market holds next week and moves up, may be seeing market rally to and over all time highs. I am seeing TSLA 320 and even potentially 360 this month! Going to buy calls tomorrow.


If this happens we're going to see further USD weakness.

Please elaborate.

TD,

I'll make this simple.

What is the date of the beginning of the graph TS posted?

What is the date of the first TS post?

Are they the same?

Happy to help those less mathematically inclined.

Straws. Mihkel. Grasping.

syn,

So I assume you agree with my conclusion since you're not disputing the factual nature of my claims and instead handwaving the entire argument. At this point we can safely say that TS made up some bull**** as what he is claiming isn't what transpired, but feel free to dig a bit deeper and think about why someone who posts a bunch of random stuff, often in direct contradiction, while flaunting his minimal knowledge of business do something like this? Would it be that his web of lies has gotten so confusing that he can't remember which fake trades to claim?

No way to know! But I think its safe to say that he obviously fabricated that "trade".