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03-07-2018 , 04:53 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgCJlKbFckb/

Interesting the progress they've made.
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03-07-2018 , 05:12 PM
Progress? It's a picture of a truck. You do know that anyone in the world can and do build multiple working prototypes of any vehicle they want, right? It just costs a few million and has no connection to anything.

Tiny clown startups that can't even build a full truck can build working long range high power electric semi prototypes rapidly. There's a whole industry that does prototyping including vehicle prototyping. It has nothing to do with production or the viability of manufacturing it.



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The ET-One is no static concept. The co-founders recently demonstrated its towing capacity in a short drive around LA, pulling around 60,000 pounds of cargo. And they hope to test the Class 8 load limit of 80,000 pounds soon. That said, Thor says it will build a scaled-down, medium duty truck, too, which will be good for short hauls between a port and an urban center.
This is like you Tesla fans seeing a picture of their delivered robots in April last year "ooooh, Tesla is on track for 5000/week by the end of 2017". How did that work out for you?

Tesla fanboyism: dumber than a cult.
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03-07-2018 , 05:43 PM
you short TSLA bro?
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03-07-2018 , 06:12 PM
Now, it's no longer links to abstruse sources, it's pictures of those sources.
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03-07-2018 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Now, it's no longer links to abstruse sources, it's pictures of those sources.
This is a really amusing own goal in which you directly insult your own intelligence. I assume English isn't your first language (although you speak close to a native), so not making (too much) fun of you.

Also, you're linking instagram as meaningful commentary about Tesla's truck "progress", and complaining about my picture?
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03-07-2018 , 07:52 PM
Q1 deliveries look horrificly bad
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03-07-2018 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Yeah.

If you want to get a sense of how out of his tree Musk is, this is a good read - a summary of the conference call. The comments are particularly funny. The hubris, the stupidity, the incompetence, the proof of securities fraud (claiming production targets would be reached on dates that he knew were impossible (and more than 10x too high) as I detailed above) are all pretty amazing to read.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/414...zinger-edition
Best quote from Elon;

"Module production is fundamentally the limiting factor on Model 3 output, which is ironic since battery modules really should be the thing we're best at."
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03-08-2018 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This is a really amusing own goal in which you directly insult your own intelligence. I assume English isn't your first language (although you speak close to a native), so not making (too much) fun of you.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abstruse

Happy to be corrected but the list of synonyms make me wonder where I went wrong:
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obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied, recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, enigmatic, inscrutable, cryptic, delphic, complex, complicated, involved, above one's head, over one's head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable, mysterious
Anyways, I consider your sources often times to be not particularly good.

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Also, you're linking instagram as meaningful commentary about Tesla's truck "progress", and complaining about my picture?
Well, it's the Instagram account of the CEO and I did not expect Tesla to be so far along the process with the Semi. Seems to be that I was wrong.
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03-08-2018 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me
Q1 deliveries look horrificly bad
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/

Seems like it went down again.
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03-08-2018 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Now, it's no longer links to abstruse sources, it's pictures of those sources.
Abstruse means subject matter that is difficult to understand and complex, esoteric, over your head. By saying my (regular news and straightforward analysis) sources are "abstruse", you're insulting your own intelligence.

Perhaps you were confused by your list of synonyms. Obscure in your list of synonyms (synonyms are REALLY bad way to understand what a word means, by the way), refers to the sense of "esoteric" or specialized knowledge, not "little known" in the sense of a little known news site. Abstruse does not mean that. It's only a synonym for obscure in the sense of "he made reference to an obscure branch of philosophy" or "he cited an obscure math theorem to prove the conjecture".
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Anyways, I consider your sources often times to be not particularly good.
That's because you're an idiot and the sources disagree with you. At the same time as rubbishing completely non controversial sources, you're quoting an instagram picture by a known, proven liar and fraudster (documented above by his own words in the conference call) as a good source of how far along the Tesla semi is:
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Well, it's the Instagram account of the CEO and I did not expect Tesla to be so far along the process with the Semi. Seems to be that I was wrong.
That's like a CEO of big tobacco talking about how good cigarettes are for your health. Musk is a liar, fraudster and spinner. I mean, this is documented from his own comments in the conference call. It is beyond dispute at this point. Even if he wasn't, having 10 or 20 prototypes made for testing has nothing - nothing - to do with how far along the Tesla truck is. I showed you a tiny startup that has built Tesla superior electric truck prototypes despite no money and no production equipment and no production plans. Hell, I - as a private citizen - can go to a specialty company and have a bunch of prototype working long range high power electric trucks made right now if I fork over $10 million. You can have nearly anything prototyped for high expense.

We'll file this in the growing bookshelf of "things Spurious doesn't understand about the world".

Last edited by ToothSayer; 03-08-2018 at 08:34 AM.
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03-08-2018 , 09:51 AM
Spurious,

Your understanding of the word abstruse is correct.

An essay using a variety of terms of art would be abstruse, but does not imply that you're an idiot. But an idiot might infer that via not understanding the meaning of abstruse.
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03-08-2018 , 10:11 AM
Right. You would not expect someone to be an idiot because they call abstruse terms in an art book, abstruse. Another stellar completely irrelevant analogy. Now go back and reread the exchange and let me know when the light bulb goes on.
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03-08-2018 , 10:22 AM
That sentence doesn't contain an analogy. Your reading comp is pisspoor btw.
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03-08-2018 , 01:27 PM
Legit question


How is 2 semis in a picture progress?
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03-08-2018 , 01:34 PM
Why would any shipping company use a semi that has a range of 300 miles???????
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03-08-2018 , 01:44 PM
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How is 2 semis in a picture progress?
It's all part of the magic - Look at this cool stuff over here! Please ignore that we don't know how to make cars.
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03-08-2018 , 08:08 PM
Yet another insider is departing TSLA

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/08/tesl...l-reasons.html


Eric Branderiz
Chief Accounting Officer & Corporate Controller at Tesla

Gone for personal reasons
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03-09-2018 , 09:09 AM
Ya, walking away from 5m stock incentive plan w monthly vesting over 4 years


They are done, ch 11 before end of q2
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03-09-2018 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me
They are done, ch 11 before end of q2
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03-09-2018 , 11:16 AM
If the M3 fails to ramp production, or some major problem is found in their non-beta-tested M3, yeah, they are done.

I mean, they are done anyway long term - Tesla will go the way of SolarCity, Musk's other failure - but it is a question of how long the goose will take to cook. Is it going to be crispy or slow roasted?

I'm of the opinion that the ramp post Grohlman machines getting installed (late this month), could give the stock some buoyancy, assuming the picture painted is true (that their main bottleneck to go from current Boss Clown level of production failure to "getting there" level of production is battery pack production, and that the Grohlman machines arriving from Germany this month solve it). It's a bit of race whether they get there first or terrible first quarter numbers do. I don't have a horse in that race.
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03-09-2018 , 02:20 PM
I think the best investment you can make in TSLA is by owning one of their cars and after the company goes under the cars will be worth more.
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03-09-2018 , 03:17 PM
^^^That'll probably end up being the only way bears make any money on Tesla
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03-09-2018 , 04:13 PM
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Why would any shipping company use a semi that has a range of 300 miles???????
A lot of semis are used just to move product from warehouse to dock, within a city, etc. There is plenty of demand for short-range trucking.

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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
Spurious,

Your understanding of the word abstruse is correct.

An essay using a variety of terms of art would be abstruse, but does not imply that you're an idiot. But an idiot might infer that via not understanding the meaning of abstruse.
As someone who is on the usage panel of a major dictionary, I would reject Spurious's use of abstruse in that sentence, as my understanding is that he intended it to mean the source is an outlet no one has heard of. If he had meant that the article in the source was difficult to understand because of its use of jargon or subtle reasoning or high-level math, then describing it as abstruse would've been appropriate.
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03-09-2018 , 06:47 PM
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^^^That'll probably end up being the only way bears make any money on Tesla
The only way bears make money is if they buy the car, which may go up in value if the company goes under.


Are you sure you have thought that through?
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03-10-2018 , 01:55 AM
There are literally 200+ thousand people waiting for Teslas. Some of them will go bonkers for the immediately collectible Teslas that will float into the second hand market.
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