You use the term cuck more than anyone else. Interesting.

It bothers people, that's why he's using it.

lol he might think it bothers people but in reality he's just self identifying as a moron alt-righter

Ding ding ding.

Here you go, genius. Up another 3% today on another analyst jumping on the bandwagon on autonomy, now that it's becoming obvious that GM has Tesla (who was never a contender for autonomy if you had a functioning mind), crushed:
More to come yet.

The charlatan inserting himself into disasters for free PR: What good would ****ing powerwall do in PR?? More comedy:
When do we finally reach peak absurdity?

When power plants and grids go down they don't come back on all at once. Getting everything working right usually involves rolling blackouts and interruptions.

St.Thomians have been getting 4 hrs of electric per day for the last few weeks. If you have a powerwall you could at least run your fridge, lights, and fans around the clock. Add a few Solar City panels over the holes in your roof and you're sitting pretty.

Perhaps it's overpriced but it is something you could immediately use that would pay for itself over enough time. Not to mention being proactive for the next storm.

And now we know why. More hilarity from Musk:

Just out, Friday afternoon, after market close
You can't make this stuff up.

So you take all analyst analysis as gospel. Roger.

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A single powerwall would provide a few hours of electricity after the disaster. I believe the owner of said product there(if there were any) were pretty grateful for those hours.

But I assume Musk intends to sell a solar PV and powerpack solution. The main benefit of these is low cost per kilowatt compared to importing fuel, less pollution and a possibility to better decentralize production and storage. There have been other solar PV plants damaged by earthquakes and storms, but maybe there are ways to build these so they are more robust.

https://twitter.com/ricardorossello/...77064261394432
An old video on the topic:

Lol the rocket flights, do you really think they're going to be able to build a rocket landing facility anywhere within a reasonable distance of a city like London? It's taken 10+ years not to get a new runway at Heathrow.

You're going to be an hour away minimum from the capital. Add that to your travel time.

Yeah. And that's not considering the launch. Rockets with large payloads are > 220 decibels, sufficient to damage buildings a mile away, let alone hearing. You'll need many miles of bussing out to the rocket launch pad - it can't be next to the terminal like planes are, and it needs to be far from an urban area, much further than planes.

Large rockets have the noise and fire profile of the largest bombs.

How The Noise Of Big Rockets Breaks Apart Buildings

And the massive-bomb-level noise isn't 1/2 second event, but sustained for minutes. There's no way rockets could land or take off at Singapore for example - they'd need to land on a far away island in another country, or far out in the Malaysian countryside. You couldn't take off within 200 miles of London, or New York. The Concorde 2 would crush this turd of an idea on safety, reliability, price, and end-to-end speed; Musk's claims will never happen at any price, let alone economy airfare equivalent.

The whole thing is ****ing ridiculous and the fact that people post it is just more evidence how the Musk fans/Tesla bulls are completely detached from reality and practicality.

Anything heltok says on anything at this point is worthless; the guy has no credibility. And neither does Musk. Half hour around the world rocket flights at the price of an economy air ticket? The guy is a charlatan, a cult leader saying absurd things to get morons with no sense of engineering or practicality excited.

It's cool that you at least agree with Elon that rockets are very noisy ;-)



By then we might have VTOL so transport to/from rocketport should be pretty fast.

Odds that Musk ends up bankrupt, in jail or in a psych ward are 100,000 times greater at least than we get commercial passenger rocket flights for even 5x the cost of an economy air ticket.

VTOL transports could cut the time somewhat. You were right about the economics of that. I didn't mean to be a dick above, but it's like you have no filter. Elon says something that gives you a boner > post in Tesla thread and defend even when it's absurd. You really are balls deep in a personality cult, heltok. It's ugly.

edit: I mean, it's giving my side tons of cred and destroying the cred of your side (and it's ****ing entertaining how completely deranged even smart people can get), so carry on I guess.

I guess I like defending absurd positions, I am a bit contrarian. It has served me well in life so far, but it is good to consider if I overdo it. Sometimes I just like to attack the counter arguments. If people are gonna attack the absurd side it feels kind to make sure that the counter arguments are not also absurd.

Imo when someone challenges status quo, they often know status quo and still choose to believe something different. If you are gonna find where you are wrong, it is a good starting point to listen to the people challenging status quo.

I like Elon yes. He makes things more interesting, if he fails at least he will fail spectacular, let's at least give him that! =)

Also, I like how Michael Huemer put's it: If you get upset when someone states their position, it is likely you that have irrational beliefs.
https://youtu.be/4JYL5VUe5NQ?t=670

I'd be fine it with it if blatant fraud wasn't involved. Thousands of real people are going to go broke believing his lies and pushing all in. He's no different to the penny stock fraudsters and pumpers, who I dislike equally. On top of that he does tremendous environmental damage for no gain. Wastes many tens of billions in misallocated capital and ******s the progress of technology. Etc.

If he stuck to SpaceX rather than deliberately defrauding people, I'd have a lot more respect. I enjoy big thinking and crazy ideas and the energy of pushing things beyond what's considered possible. Musk's fraud and lies and deliberate cynical development of a cult of personality take the shine off it for me.
Irrational beliefs about other people's rationality, sure.
Irrational hopes about other people's capacity to be rational

It's a good general guide, but a little simplistic.

Musk is skilled fraudster and liar, but his judgment is a little off. An interesting article in WSJ today, summarized at SA:

Yep. If they miss badly on the Model 3 badly - every indication so given that they're far behind schedule, the M3 bypassed all beta testing, and they're building them by hand still - and the stock drops a lot, the lawsuits will come thick and fast. They're no question here that Musk has committed blatant stock fraud, and not just in this case but a pattern over years of misleading investors and customers.

They are literally building cars by hand.

handcrafted, that's good though. People love handcrafted ****.

Pretty much all car manufacturers use a mix of automated and manual processes, ie building by hand.

Here is Tesla's response to the article:
Here is a video of some robots on the line:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BaAOokSgdCp/

Fwiw my bachelor was in automation and mechatronics an I did my bachelor thesis about industrial robots. What you see in the video seems to be the normal workflow but with delays between the operations and maybe with slowed down movements. But some operations you can't slow down so if you speed up the video it will not look like normal speed.

Is it your intention to destroy any remaining shred of credibility? You're doing a great job.

For people who run into the WSJ paywall, here's a summary at Zerohedge:

Its high comedy and worth reading:

This was obvious from the fact that they were just getting robots delivered back in July - it takes months to calibrate them and get the workflow right. Musk has been lying his face off the entire time about the projections. And is now having people put cars together by hand so he can claim at least something is coming off the lots, and use terms like "exponential" in tweets to the true believers to spread (heltok further above just spewed what Musk did without any critical thinking, for example).

They got robots delivered in april:
https://electrek.co/2017/04/25/tesla...line-pictures/

The video was a response to the WSJ article giving the impression that Tesla was still using manual processes for spot wielding. From your quote:
Imo the video indicates that this is no longer the case if it ever was.

Here is the answer from WSJ:


Regarding the second quote:
This is true. But it is unclear if Tesla are doing this. Imo it seems unlikely, but until we see the production line we can't know for certain.

The "exponential" excuse is great. I'm surprised it hasn't become a hackneyed refrain from shysters. It can placate rubes nearly indefinitely. And if you've ever seen a pool get filled by x^2 droplets of water, you know that you stare at an empty pool for what seems like ages, and then suddenly BAM! The pool is overflowing with profits from hyperloops and tunnel cars and passenger rockets.

Why does the video indicate it was no longer the case? I'm not understanding the logic. Musk puts out a video of four welders welding what, 40 points?, on a non moving assembly line. Surely you realize there are far more welds than this and that they all take time to set up. And that some of the automation is already set up; the WSJ article claims that SOME of the work is still being done by hand, including SOME of the welding. In fact, that should have 100% of the line set up by now; having 90% set up would be in line with the WSJ article. What the **** does four robots doing a few welds prove?

The video proves absolutely nothing except a shocking level of gullibility in those who thinks it contradicts the WSJ article
Your mind is gone man; this is like cult leader belief levels. The video shows absolutely nothing of the sort.

And who is not showing us the production line? Musk. Who is not crowing that "the production line is finished, the WSJ is lying or misinformed". Who is not producing more than a few cars/day on their "fully automated" "alien dreadnought", "machine that builds the machine" manufacturing line..

May I please have a Tesla bull whose mind is working, who has the tiniest sliver of normal doubt rather than absolute cult-like devotion, and certainty that Musk is a non-lying angel?