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01-22-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
The problem is you think the definition of money is a "store of value". That's not what money is. Why would anyone want a "store of value" for anything but at most a small percentage of your portfolio? "Storing value" in large amounts is stupid and pointless.

Money is a medium that facilitates transactions. That's it. It should maintain its value between transactions. Fiat does this much better than gold. Fiat is infinitely better than gold as money.
You are wrong, money is commonly accepted to have three (maybe four) main functions:
1. a medium of exchange
2. a unit of account
3. a store of value

It should be fairly obvious that if you don't do 3. well you can't really do 1. or 2. well.

Tell me, how long of a transaction is a mortgage?
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01-22-2017 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbaseball
You can put stock certificates, deeds and bonds in one of those safes too all of which will likely outperform gold when you open it up 20 years down the road.
You are comparing a productive asset to a non productive asset.
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01-22-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbaseball
You can put stock certificates, deeds and bonds in one of those safes too all of which will likely outperform gold when you open it up 20 years down the road.
Yes.. I'm not advocating gold, I was just giving the guy 1 thing.. saying gold in a safe is better then cash. Both of which are way worse then owning something productive.
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01-22-2017 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
You are so fundamentally wrong it is amazing. Money has to be several properties including a medium of exchange. If money was JUST a medium of exchange then we could call go live in a beach and deem sand as money. Now how well would that work???

ONE of and probably the most important thing money has to be is a store of value. How the hell do you protect your savings then?
it's not a medium of exchange if it has no value and nobody will accept it as payment, smart guy
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01-22-2017 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
Gold ounce still buys about 350 loaves of bread just like it did 500 years before Christ was born.

So yes, obviously.
Where is this shop where you can buy bread with gold?
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01-22-2017 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats

ONE of and probably the most important thing money has to be is a store of value. How the hell do you protect your savings then?
Diversify. Lil bit of this, lil bit of that. Gold makes a convenient "store of value" because it's small and easy to store and doesn't go bad. Hell... you could store value by stocking up boat loads of liqour at wholesale prices. It's going to hold it's value too.. just harder to store. The funny thing is even liqour would probably out perform gold considering aged liqour gains value. I'd worry more about the bottom falling out of the gold market then the liqour market. Liqour has WAAAAY more intrinsic value.
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01-22-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
Why hasn't liquor been money for 6,000 years then? Why has gold been money for that long?

You already gave a couple reasons why when you answered in your post.
Liquor has acted just the same as gold. It has held it's value. That's all gold has done. What else has gold done that liquor hasn't? You could turn your liquor you bought 50 years ago with gold and turn it into the exact same amount of gold today. You can use your liquor as a median of exchange. Yes it's harder then gold, but gold is hard also. As has been said, you can't really buy anything with gold.

So why are you so obsessed with something people did 6000 years ago? **** didn't change much for thousands of years. Evolution was much slower. Money is a psychological thing among people and people and times have changed drastically with technology. To think we should use the same psychology as people 6000 years ago is stupid.
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01-22-2017 , 10:16 PM
Authentic rare art has been a great investment and stores value too. Has for thousands of years. Art is money.
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01-22-2017 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Authentic rare art has been a great investment and stores value too. Has for thousands of years. Art is money.
I know you are trolling (I mean, I think kinda?)...

But, art is not divisible or nor is it consistent so it is actually a really bad choice of money.

An ounce of gold has a certain value. Two half ounces of gold have the same value as this one ounce. You could take a half ounce from your ounce and combine it with a half ounce from my ounce and you would have a new ounce of gold worth the same as your original ounce or my original ounce.

You could take your Picasso and cut it in half. For the sake of argument I will say that the value of your two halves is equal to the whole Picasso (clearly not true). But, what should be painfully obvious is that if you halve my Van Gogh and combine half of it with half of your Picasso you do not have a new piece of art worth the same as your original Picasso or my original Van Gogh.

So art would actually fail pretty miserably at some of the other functions of money.

Now please, stop being stupid and causing me to waste my time for the sake of thoroughness.
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01-22-2017 , 11:03 PM
It's cute that you think a bar of gold is easily divisible by anyone beyond people who work with metals.
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01-22-2017 , 11:08 PM
We can have paper backed by real art.
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01-22-2017 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
We can have paper backed by real art.
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01-23-2017 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
Diversify. Lil bit of this, lil bit of that. Gold makes a convenient "store of value" because it's small and easy to store and doesn't go bad. Hell... you could store value by stocking up boat loads of liqour at wholesale prices. It's going to hold it's value too.. just harder to store. The funny thing is even liqour would probably out perform gold considering aged liqour gains value. I'd worry more about the bottom falling out of the gold market then the liqour market. Liqour has WAAAAY more intrinsic value.
Liquor lost no purchasing power during Brazilian hyperinflation. Gold lost 70% of its purchasing power.

Liquor is much more stable as a store of value.
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01-23-2017 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
We can have paper backed by real art.
but that would be almost as volatile as gold
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01-23-2017 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
but that would be almost as volatile as gold
We do have paper money with excellent craftsmanship and artistry. It isn't volatile at all.
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01-23-2017 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
It's cute that you think a bar of gold is easily divisible by anyone beyond people who work with metals.
I wonder how many gold bugs actually know whether they actually own any gold...

"But it has a stamp that says that it is a krugerrand, so I am sure it is pretty much pure gold. Those South Africans are pretty cool dudes who have my back."

Don't even get me started on the American Gold Eagle coins. It is quite obvious to me that the corrupt US Mint has been foisting these fake gold coins on the unsuspecting public.
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01-23-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
why is China, Russia, India, and central banks all accumulating gold like its going out of style is it has no value???
This keeps coming up. What I can't figure out is why the price of gold hasn't skyrocketed because of all this government hoarding.
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01-24-2017 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
Because the paper price of gold set by comex fraudently keeps true real physical prices down for the time being.

The paper price of gold set by crimex is not reality.
This has been a rumor forever. I picked up some silver about 12 years ago and they were saying this. Here's the problem and why it's proven to not be true every single day. IF YOU ORDER PHYSICAL SILVER, IT SHOWS UP AT YOUR DOOR! There haven't been any defaults on physical silver.

In 2012 PSLV did a secondary offering for $250 Million and the ****ing silver showed up! Their physical silver is audited.

If silver was being artificially depressed they would have run out and defaulted years ago.
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01-24-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
Because the paper price of gold set by comex fraudently keeps true real physical prices down for the time being.
This is all so confusing. I though gold was always worth 386 loaves of bread. Is this not true?
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01-24-2017 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
This is all so confusing. I though gold was always worth 386 loaves of bread. Is this not true?
Lol.. nice
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01-24-2017 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
I think for every ounce of silver or gold in physical there is 250-300 ounces out there in paper.

Shanghai gold exchange which recently opened you have to take delivery of the metal. Unlike crimex.

And yes, it has been going on for a while. 12 years isn't that long of a time period though in the grand scheme of things. The Fed has had bullets for a while but that is coming to a close, same with the dollar as the supreme reserve currency.
If this were the case couldn't a group buy and take delivery of the suppressed price silver that's left and cause them to default thus causing a massive spike in silver prices.
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01-24-2017 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
He can explain it better than me.

http://plata.com.mx/Mplata/articulos...idarticulo=281

The Mexican business mogul Hugo Salinas price.

The revaluation of gold does not mean that prices of goods and services will rise in tandem with the higher price of gold. Established prices will by and large remain the same prices that existed before the revaluation. However, prices will have to re-adjust to reflect the new economic realities. Many goods that we have taken for granted will disappear, as their artificial cheapness vanishes.
TLDR, but that guy sure looks like a str8 shooter who knows what's going on. If your going to take advice from billionaires, see what Warren buffet has to say. He's got more billions :-)
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01-25-2017 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
Just read it. It'll take you 6 minutes. You are engaged in this conversation and you think I'm off my rocker, well someone like Hugo salinas price who isn't some metals guy selling metals articulately explains the situation.

I want to know where you diverge from someone like Hugo who is a million times more eloquent than me explaining the dire situation we are in.
I don't look to other people to tell me what's going to happen. I think for myself.
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01-25-2017 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
Ohhh burnnnn.

I suspect you won't read it because you won't have any counter arguments to it.

And if you think for yourself you would understand that fiat is a debt instrument you've been programmed to accept so the govt can confiscate your wealth. Just like Keynes said himself.
I understand what fiat is, that's why I don't hold **** tons of it. I diversify, real estate being a big part.
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01-26-2017 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeAZwildcats
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndshbH3qZ6Y


People passing on a gold coin for $25.

This is how dumbed down America is. The banks have won. These idiots would buy a federal reserve 50 dollar note for $49 in a split second.
People are generally smart enough to not buy something that may as well be a random item from a total stranger for $25.

Not all of them, of course. Some people are gullible.
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