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02-03-2021 , 06:12 AM
idk if this was answered previously but is there anything wrong with having the ability to short a company more than 100%

in essence is it wrong for someone to lend a stock out more than once?

maybe I'm wrong here so someone let me know
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02-03-2021 , 11:57 AM
Najdorf already answered you in the other thread...

No, it's totally normal:

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02-03-2021 , 12:00 PM
I was short WKHS when the craziness started, covered at a loss, look to short again later.
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02-03-2021 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by n00b590
Najdorf already answered you in the other thread...

No, it's totally normal:
cheers

didn't think anyone replied since the thread was so far down
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02-03-2021 , 11:53 PM
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Lol that was a fun read
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02-04-2021 , 12:29 AM
Why would you want to short anything. Your betting against inflation as they print trillions.

Way easier to long as they kick out the cash.
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02-04-2021 , 04:18 AM
CLNN gold nanocrystals hmmm short biased. Needs red on the day. and SIGL
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02-04-2021 , 06:44 PM
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CLNN gold nanocrystals hmmm short biased. Needs red on the day. and SIGL
CLNN -17% and tanking after hours
SIGL -30%
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02-04-2021 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by NajdorfDefense
an interesting way to get short $GME for experienced traders only:
1) you don't want to short the stock, obviously,
2) Buying puts is hella expensive, so

What you do is sell a call spread, yes, simple, hey why are you telling me this, but wait there's more!

Let's say Feb 19 you sell the $350 otm call and buy the $450. You get paid ~20, your risk is $100, your net risk is 80. You have to have the collateral to do this trade as you are net short.

You're short expensive vol which is nice, long the time decay, and long gamma which is also nice and short delta. Fully collateralized trade, so you don't need to worry about margin requirements.

Stock is flat to down at expiry, keep the $20.

EZ $20/contract...unless you see it going back up to 350 and closing there in two weeks.

short vol worked [check]
+ev time decay [check]
long gamma [check, didn't impact trade]
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02-04-2021 , 08:02 PM
u/dfw, assuming all his magical xls trades are real, has done amazing, but has also turned $31m in profits on his existing positions at month-end into $3.6m 4 days into Feb, which, owie.

It looks like he'll be under SEC investigation soon due to his MassMutual fin advisor job maybe for publicly rec'g stocks/strategies that were unsuitable for retail on reddit, so I sincerely hope he cashed in for 8 figures in profits. I really do.
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02-06-2021 , 04:32 PM
Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger on short-selling:

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02-06-2021 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NajdorfDefense
u/dfw, assuming all his magical xls trades are real, has done amazing, but has also turned $31m in profits on his existing positions at month-end into $3.6m 4 days into Feb, which, owie.

It looks like he'll be under SEC investigation soon due to his MassMutual fin advisor job maybe for publicly rec'g stocks/strategies that were unsuitable for retail on reddit, so I sincerely hope he cashed in for 8 figures in profits. I really do.
.... I think the sec, after looking at his live streams, are going to have hard time prosecuting him for jack ****. He violated some company policy as i understand it. I also think he was in the marketing department at massmutual although i don't know in what capacity. He has a license to trade and a license to run a brokerage Do you think he's that stupid? Just because someone's being investigated, doesn't mean anything.
This whole retail rabbid reddit trader narrative masks the fact that big hedge funds and money dominated this trade and the influx of 1000's of bots on twitter and reddit to push bags off on retail - slv,amc, nokia, nakd.
Maybe the sec will talk to the guys at dumb money as well. Guess they don't use charts so their all good.
Now could this be related to something in MassMutuals portfolio is a more interesting question, some sort of bet they played that is inverse or something else coming further down the road? You know he already put in his notice so nothing to look at here.
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02-11-2021 , 09:54 PM
I've been playing around with some portfolio optimizations, looking at using size/sector ETFs as hedges for shorts, and the results look pretty promising.

Daily standard deviation for:
  • Total market (long-only): 1.38%
  • Long/short portfolio (net neutral): 1.76%
  • Total market + long/short portfolio (net 100% long): 0.88%
So that seems to confirm the intuition that a well-run long/short book should increase returns and decrease variance.

Interestingly, using a total market fund as the long/short hedge is actually not great--going net 100% long with ITOT as the only hedge, the standard deviation is 1.6%, which is actually worse than just going long-only. So it looks like you really need to be using the right size/sector ETF hedges to make this work.

FWIW, optimal hedge allocation for my current shorts is:
IWM: 58%
XLY: 31%
IEMG: 8%
XLE: 3%

Last edited by n00b590; 02-11-2021 at 10:02 PM.
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03-18-2021 , 03:00 PM
The Psychology of Human Misjudgment

Papa Munger dropping a knowledge bomb.
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03-20-2021 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by n00b590
The Psychology of Human Misjudgment

Papa Munger dropping a knowledge bomb.
This was a good read. Thanks for posting
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03-21-2021 , 11:19 AM
Shorting too risky in the meme stock environment. Better to just buy puts.
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03-21-2021 , 11:49 AM
I have been watching "the short of it" on zeros tv on real vision finance, YouTube. The group of guys they have is a fairly entertaining show.
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04-21-2021 , 05:06 PM
My RIDE short has been going really well.
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04-22-2021 , 04:34 AM
SKLZ - can this squeeze be sustained?
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04-22-2021 , 06:03 AM
good thread
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04-22-2021 , 07:39 AM
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In many ways it’s easier to identify egregiously overvalued stocks than it is to find undervalued ones.....
Nope
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04-22-2021 , 08:48 AM
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04-22-2021 , 09:19 AM
https://www.institutionalinvestor.co...-Short-Sellers

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Jim Chanos’ Kynikos Associates and Jim Carruthers’ Sophos Capital got much smaller in 2020, according to new regulatory filings.

If there’s any lingering doubt about how awful 2020 was for short sellers, recently released securities filings make the pain abundantly clear.

Jim Chanos’ Kynikos Associates and Jim Carruthers’ Sophos Capital — both of which started 2020 with around $1 billion in regulatory assets — ended the year a shadow of their former selves.

Chanos, arguably the most well-known short seller in the world, lost more than 50 percent of its assets last year. Kynikos ended 2020 with about $405 million in regulatory assets under management, down from around $932 million the prior year, according to annual ADV filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

The long bull market has punished Chanos for years. In 2018, when Institutional Investor profiled him, Kynikos ran just under $2 billion, having already lost almost three-quarters of his assets since the financial crash of 2008, when it ran $7 billion.

The worship cult for Chanos is really bizarre. People may sound really smart when they are shorting specific stocks, shorting the overall market, or are just perma-bears. When you are wrong, they are just "early" or the market is "behaving irrationally". Eventually there will be a correction and they will be right, but will have not participated in a lot of gains along the way. Some famous short sellers may be really smart but are too arrogant to be successful. If they are lucky enough to get a few things right at the beginning of their careers, like Chanos did, they can retain some sort of weird legendary status. According to the article, the assets under management at Kynikos are less than 10% of what they were in 2008 (the beginning of the bull market). It is not clear how much of that is due to investors pulling out their money and how much is due to negative performance. The OP wrote that Chanos has "he’s crushed the S&P for more than 30 years". I am curious if OP can provide a link that has his total performance, year by year. Perhaps the above article is not the whole story. In any case, crushing the S&P is not really as important of a benchmark these days., considering that the QQQ has easily crushed the S&P for the past two decades and a lot of simple Vanguard ETFs consistently crush the S&P as well. Additionally, if I were to let somebody risk my money by short selling, I would be expecting considerably more outsized gains than just beating an 8% APY S&P benchmark. I would be expecting either outsized gains or some protection from drawdowns, but Chanos' fund is known for huge drawdowns since the 1990s (-31% in 1991; -43% in 1993; -40% in 1995).

https://www.valuewalk.com/wp-content...rformance1.pdf
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04-22-2021 , 01:09 PM
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Nope
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/home...-in-stock.html

Go on...
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