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09-15-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Oh puhleeze, they obviously could have bought more widgets before the shortage with a sufficiently high UBI.
I can easily afford many gallons of water, plenty of food and a generator. Yet, because I'm not a weirdo, I don't have a bunker filled with things such as that.
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09-15-2017 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I can easily afford many gallons of water, plenty of food and a generator. Yet, because I'm not a weirdo, I don't have a bunker filled with things such as that.
and they aren't free
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09-15-2017 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mark "twang"
You mean you don't smuggle in candy up your butthole like the rest of us?
sometimes i even do that at home
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09-15-2017 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Many people think that supply and demand dictate you must increase prices significantly during crises, there have been many people in this thread that have been pro-price gouge. I say it doesn't make sense not just from a moral perspective, but also an economic perspective.
I think you mischaracterize the argument (at least mine). Having the government artificially set a price ceiling is bad and can lead to market conditions that do more harm than good. Enterprises, both large and small, should be free to take in all considerations when making pricing decisions. Including PR issues or just being a good member of the community.
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09-15-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
and they aren't free
So?
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09-15-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
I think you mischaracterize the argument (at least mine). Having the government artificially set a price ceiling is bad and can lead to market conditions that do more harm than good. Enterprises, both large and small, should be free to take in all considerations when making pricing decisions. Including PR issues or just being a good member of the community.
Not allowing price gouging isn't the same thing as setting price ceilings.

If a business were selling gallon jugs of water for $1,000,000,000 each prior to a disaster, they can continue to do so during a disaster.

You are going to have to describe to us, in full detail, why not allowing price gouging during a disaster causes more harm than good. I agree that in some universes (not the particular one we happen to live in), that price gouging could have positive utility. I'd like to hear your view of how anti-price-gouging laws will have negative total utility in the universe that we actually live in. Nothing wishy-washy about ideals that have no relationship to actual human beings, please. An actual negative collective utility. "Well, some dude got arrested for it" doesn't come even close.
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09-16-2017 , 09:43 AM
At a movie theater you aren't just paying for popcorn/candy with those prices.

Come to think of it, the theater presents an interesting model of luxury excise, doubly interesting because of its "private" nature.
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09-16-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Not allowing price gouging isn't the same thing as setting price ceilings.
This is objectively false. Just because it is short-term doesn't mean it's not a ceiling.
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
An actual negative collective utility. "Well, some dude got arrested for it" doesn't come even close.
Well, in the case already cited here, there were five (or six, or whatever) fewer generators available for people to buy. And who knows how many fewer because people were dissuaded from bringing more to the area because it wasn't worth it to them without the large margin.
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09-16-2017 , 11:21 AM
the bottom line is EMOTION-EMOTION-EMOTION

folks pay $400 a night during bike week Daytona for the same room that's $49 any other time.
the argument they pay via a choice applys to a hurricane as well.
people made a choice to live below sea level.
they made a choice not to evacuate
yeah yeah yeah , jobs money or lack of , no where to go etc.....
these are all reasons as to WHY THEY MADE THE CHOICE THEY MADE.
doesn't change the fact they and only they made the choice.
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09-16-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
This is objectively false. Just because it is short-term doesn't mean it's not a ceiling.
This is technically correct, but silly. What ideal are you espousing?

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Well, in the case already cited here, there were five (or six, or whatever) fewer generators available for people to buy. And who knows how many fewer because people were dissuaded from bringing more to the area because it wasn't worth it to them without the large margin.
That isn't a drop in total utility. That is an anecdote about a meaninglessly small number of generators.

Once the waters receded sufficiently for trucks to get through, Home Depot had absolutely no problem shipping generators in. Prior to that, NO ONE was shipping generators in.
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09-16-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Once the waters receded sufficiently for trucks to get through, Home Depot had absolutely no problem shipping generators in. Prior to that, NO ONE was shipping generators in.
Then why make it illegal?
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09-16-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Then why make it illegal?
It wasn't made illegal to ship in generators.
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09-16-2017 , 12:34 PM
Don't be obtuse.
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09-16-2017 , 12:37 PM
Out of curiosity, were the tolls free when people evacuated for the hurricanes?
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09-16-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Out of curiosity, were the tolls free when people evacuated for the hurricanes?
No. All the toll roads actually quintupled their normal rates.
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09-16-2017 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
So?
so go buy them.... or don't

but don't go around complaining that they are out of stock or the price has gone up when you need them. the weirdo's stocking up on dried food etc paid a price for all of that. just like people buying health insurance. you can decide you should get cheap health insurance after you had a heart attack but thats just some weird sense of entitlement playing with your emotions

in a free market people take risks such as debt and inventory. sometimes it works out better than others. its not fair to point out all the times they benefit and cry foul but then when they suffer, tough luck. stores will be closed for days or weeks. there will be damage and other headaches. god forbid they took on the debt and risk to provide goods and services people need and then benefit from it

price gouging is more complicated than the emotional level 1 thinking the bleeding heart left attribute to everything. people win and lose. its a good idea to take a look at the bigger picture. the attitude that people fleeing an emergency they were warned about a week ago are being taken advantage of is extremely narrow
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09-16-2017 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
so go buy them.... or don't

but don't go around complaining that there exists no price gouging laws
FYP.
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09-16-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by snowman
the bottom line is EMOTION-EMOTION-EMOTION

folks pay $400 a night during bike week Daytona for the same room that's $49 any other time.
the argument they pay via a choice applys to a hurricane as well.
people made a choice to live below sea level.
they made a choice not to evacuate
yeah yeah yeah , jobs money or lack of , no where to go etc.....
these are all reasons as to WHY THEY MADE THE CHOICE THEY MADE.
doesn't change the fact they and only they made the choice.
This is a mistaken position that people often make. Perhaps adults made that choice. Children do not. And many poor adults cannot move, as they simply don't have the means. Just because you don't care about them, or care about why they can't move, doesn't mean they can't move.

Furthermore, hurricanes destroy homes above sea level as well.
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09-16-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Out of curiosity, were the tolls free when people evacuated for the hurricanes?
Yes. Thank the state for that.
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09-17-2017 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by glenrice1
That has nothing to do with price gouging. You don't need harmful laws to force people to share. I consider helping people part of being human.

I suspect there is strong correlation between people advocating price gouging laws and those who are least charitable in their own lives.

That certainly holds for charity in general. The top 10 states in charitable giving are all red states. The bottom 10 are all blue states. https://www.philanthropy.com/article...-Divide/156175
that article considers tithing (giving to the church) charity.

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When religious giving isn’t counted, the geography of giving is very different. Some states in the Northeast jump into the top 10 when secular gifts alone are counted. New York would vault from No. 18 to No. 2, and Pennsylvania would climb from No. 40 to No. 4.
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09-17-2017 , 10:22 AM


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09-17-2017 , 02:51 PM
^ Ya know, he's not holding a gun to your head forcing you to tithe.
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09-17-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mark "twang"
^ Ya know, he's not holding a gun to your head forcing you to tithe.
Neither is this guy.



They're both offering about the same value for your dollars.


Bottom line: Tithing does not necessarily equal charity. Counting it as such is misleading.
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09-17-2017 , 04:00 PM
^ Kind of a bad example.

Drug dealers are known to resort to violence when people f*ck them over.
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09-17-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Tithing does not necessarily equal charity. Counting it as such is misleading.
What is your definition of charity? Because you get tax deductions for giving to a lot of things.
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