We need new active moderators who read the forums. The quality has declined immensely since jaxeland and ahnuld have gotten too busy with life to do anything. Jalexand42 in particular is incompetent, and actually mocks posters for posting here and not having a life when called out by multiple regulars on his terrible moderation. These moderators allowed the covid thread to get out of hand such that there's no real discussion any more on this forum of covid (Omicron has great discussion and trades to be had but we've all moved to private chat because the idiots were allowed to run rampant here). They actually locked it rather than get rid of the problem posters, admitting defeat before even trying anything competent even though 10+ regulars told them easily how to clean it up (they mocked the regulars as not having a life when their moderating was complained about).

Can we not as a forum find some people who actively read this place and willing to do the tiny bit of work competently that jalexand is incapable of doing? And for God's sake let demod that fool, he's a net liability.

I will come back and post more if jaxeland is demodded and we get some new mods who do their job, and I'm sure other contributors will too.

Yeah I just read the end of the covid thread

There's a weird situation here. The moderators want to be moderators but don't want to actually moderate. Maybe step aside then?

We have recently had a wave of politcs posters who are a notably extreme and mentally unwell community on this site. It seems to have exposed the vulnerability in bfi. I rarely post in the Tesla thread because I don't feel like I have much to contribute or feel inspired to. That said, I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I do read it and find updates and news interesting enough to continue. That changed recently. The thread was overrun by long winded nonsense from the same brain dead weirdo that had the covid thread fly off the rails. The tesla thread turned in to a steaming pile of garbage that was unreadable and buried anything of value

This speaks to moderation. The same clownshow is doing this across the site. Mentally ill rants of thousands of words a day completely derailing anything of value. Instead of having the competence to sort out the bad apples, they close the covid thread and allow the same mental case to wreck the tesla thread which is one of the forums most popular with well over a million views.

If your ability to assess the problem is this bad, or you don't have the time or will to pay attention, just step aside. I'm not a fan of heavy moderation but the main point of it is to weed posters who are destroying threads

Did you report the posts in question?

Also as a reminder:

1. ToothSayer is one of the biggest jerks on the forums to other posters. He's been banned/exiled multiple times. Ahnuld and I were the ones that went to bat to keep him from getting permabanned the last time. You can see how that worked out for us.

2. It's ironic to me that when I warn/threaten to ban a couple people that I'm sure ToothSayer thinks should be banned that I get called out for NOT moderating? lol, ok.

3. The admins can remove a moderator at any time whenever they please. I can promise you, there won't be any argument from me if they elect to do so. I've always been open handed with this (Ahnuld as well). If you expect either of us to constantly read every post and moderate like crazy, that'll never happen here with us.

It makes a lot of sense for a community of investors and traders to ban one of the few people who provides money-making analysis for free. No worries though, we have the beloved politics newcomers to start and carry the discussion instead. Just look at the lively discussion taking place in the remaining threads. The quality of analysis hasn't dropped off at all compared to the early 2020 covid thread. It's definitely not a mistake to ban Toothsayer and keep Coupee around.. how else will BFI have a safe space to wither away and die from inactivity?

There were a lot of posters far better than Tooth before Tooth arrived and poisoned the well though. There were a bunch of people here who actually knew what they were talking about when it comes to valuation and different types of asset classes and so on, not internet-pompous folks like Tooth who don't actually have any real understanding of how any of this works. I don't think it's fair to say Tooth is the only reason why most of those people aren't around, but he's definitely part of the problem. Tooth's presence chases away good posters because he's both more explicitly condescending to people that he perceives as smart and his ignorant condescension is less tolerable the more you actually know how absurdly out of depth he is.

Isn't this also mostly due to years of tolerating Tooth's political rants? As far as I can tell, Tooth is the one that normalized extreme political rhetoric in this forum, which of course invites reactions from the other side. I'd be happy with zero tolerance for any kind of partisan political advocacy - the problem is that we can't both have Tooth and pretend that political discussions aren't allowed.

Toothsayer destroyed BFI long ago.

Vast majority of 2+2 posters will not go near BFI.

+1

That really is too bad the Covid thread was closed. It was such a good thread. Very disappointing. There were just a couple or so politics posters who obviously and I mean obviously were just trolling non-stop and should have just been banned from the thread. And I'm not talking about Tooth. I agree we need more mods who read the threads. Is there a max limit on mods? Maybe just add some more mods?

its all obviously intertwined. its the posters that cant discern the need to be objective about both or multiple areas they are discussing in tandem that need a reality check. not to mention the ability to admit you are wrong when the data presents itself...

i agree though, young new moderation will help progress the discussion faster

Idk why ppl are complaining. These moderators are busy making money, and that's why they were chosen. Funny bc while many heavy politics regs are human slurry the moderation there is actually excellent

I like when bfi mods say stuff like "if you want heavy moderation that isn't happening here" literally nobody is asking for that

"I'll leave if admin kicks me out", just leave if you don't want to provide the most basic service for YOUR community

I post some random stuff once in a while in tesla and the old covid thread. I'm not a bfi guy and don't offer financials, but nobody cares bc I hardly post. If I start posting thousands of words per week without financials then I should be modded....see how hard that is!

This. I can go to youtube if I want to read drivel

People are leaving the forum format because it’s a less effective and efficient form of communication compared to Skype, telegram, discord, or whatever people use.

There is minimal amounts of quality posting anywhere on this site, regardless of tooth, qp, or the quality of moderation. I love 2p2, it’s an important part of my formative years, but it’s well past it’s prime. A relic of internets past.

This is 100% the truth.

So is this. +1

no this is the truth.

terrible moderator says he will leave if he's asked to go. doesnt want to moderate anyway. almost everyone in bfi tells him to get the hell out lol. all he does is make half a dozen posts defending himself in this thread.

great look pal!

bfi was the highlight of 2p2 until politards invaded it and were allowed to stay and everything went off track

i say this as a liberal who is ideologically on the same side of the politards most of the time - it's not about right or wrong or ideological belief, we had a great discussion group that was active but it's been dead for months because a very small group of posters who keep pushing it off topic

If you're referring to Toothsayer, he's probably smart enough to create and moderate his very own forum on Discord or wherever. That way he can be an obnoxious jerk with no interference from anyone.

You're probably smart enough to create and moderate your very own forum on Discord or wherever. That way you can allow any obnoxious jerk you want (e.g. Toothsayer) to post there, and permaban any undesirables. Sounds massively +EV to me. What say you?

I spent time starting early 2017-2019 trying to create threads about cryptocurrencies and their future implications. I stopped posting primarily because for every one real poster who came with a genuine curiosity to learn there were several trolls that were harassing me and brigading the thread. Despite trying to ignore them as well as I could, I found 90% of the stuff I was typing was trying to explain to (other) posters was why those people were to be ignored (and it turns out you would have made some enormous 40x+ returns if you managed to also disregard the trolls) primarily so those who lurked the thread didn't somehow believe their points had any merit or my silence was equal to me agreeing with them. But there's something called Brandolinis law, where if someone wants to ruin a thread or comes with the purpose of creating conflict it's much easy to do so and for the opposing side it just drowns them in a bunch of BS. I stopped because mods didn't care and I decided I'd rather go create inter generational wealth on a more suitable channel and find a community that was like minded & also interested in how this space was developing.

This is an Investing forum -- what constitutes a good poster? For me I'll always be interested in reading posts from people who probably aren't square middle in the bell curve, with the most commonly held beliefs, who would probably get the most upvotes on Reddit. I find those people often care more about validation and have absolutely nothing useful to say as far as investible advice goes. I can say from my vantage point Toothsayer has by far given me the most to think about, while also sharing the most knowledge actually relevant to growing my bottom line in my investments outside of cryptocurrencies. My whole workflow as an investor in the space I am in is pulling apart signal & noise and I'm actually in shock how many people seem to be against him. To me (my interpretation) is he's willing to discuss ideas & concepts and simply has zero patience for lazy posters who're more interested in trying to dunk than learn. Fwiw his posts on crypto back then, his critiques were better than 95% of those out there and I didn't mind engaging and debating with him, and if you look back at the posts even between me & him on crypto - if I remember correctly - despite disagreeing on some things everything was always respectful & there was a lot to learn from those who took the time to read them.

And those kinds of conversations are how I sharpened my own investing frameworks too, where I lurked this thread in years prior and also found value in good posters, which is why I originally even wanted to try posting on these topics as my own way to pay it forward. What isn't valuable from an investor p.o.v. is all the chatty/useless posters. A good heuristic: Search someones post history and if 95+ out of 100 posts are anything other discussing the merit of ideas and concepts in an INVESTING forum then just ban them. That alone would clear up so much noise and just leave more signal.

What I hope would change: The moderators clearly don't really care or perhaps have very little time & bandwidth to do a proper job. No judgment here, as I would not want to be a moderator and it's largely a thankless job, but to me it's clear that even years ago this was an issue as that's why I personally decided to stop engaging. Why not just acknowledge that (once again no judgment it is what it is) and just let new blood (if there is any) who actually want to moderate take over. At this point I maybe check this forum 2-3x a year max so I have next to zero skin in the game and take it with less weight, but at least back then it was unproductive and it sounds like it's only gotten worse. I felt compelled to share this input because it's contradictory to all the other posts in this thread so far. I believe if that happens maybe other good posters will return.. or better yet those who are already here will become actually better posters.

Maybe? In 2015, I became a regular lurker and occasional posters in the crypto threads in BFI. I didn't pay much attention to the other threads until the covid thread was made, in which TS was an enormously valuable contributor. As were you, btw.

I can confidently say that lack of moderation is what killed the quality of the Bitcoin thread. Many of the top contributors went on to make ****tons of money and were literally happy to give away alpha for free in exchange for half decent discussions. But lack of moderation, allowing trolls like jfound and others to spam the thread with low quality posts about price discussion made it pointless for the valuable contributors to stick around.

Dude, you are a totally useless moderator. You were told repeatedly by multiple people what the problem was in the coronavirus thread. i.e two posters in particular trolling non-stop. Yet instead of easily rectifying the problem by getting rid of the trolls, you had a hissy fit and shut down one of the best threads on 2plus2.

If you can't perform a basic moderation task like that, clearly you aren't up to the job.

You should resign in shame.

How exactly does one "resign in shame" from a volunteer position (no idea why any mods do free work for this site for this or the previous owners). In case you had not noticed, the new owners do not care in the slightest about your concerns, and as I have posted here many times on many forums here (for both owners) - since they do not pay their mods and the owners do not care in the slightest with how forums are modded - the mods have the right and ability do do whatever they like.

That Covid thread was a mess. While you will only blame those who have different opinions than you, it was a collective effort, and people like you spamming the miracle cures of the day, and preaching that the vaccines caused Covid and whatever the ever changing alt-right messaging you passively consumed and regurgitated contributed a ton to why that thread was a complete mess.

These forums are way past their prime and are at best a quaint throwback to 10-20 years ago. It is trivially easy for you or anyone to create a chat group on Discord in minutes and have the exact discussion with the exact people you want on the topic you want and you and the other derplings can mod it however you choose as it will be your space to do with as you like. Post all the miracle cures, alt-right Twitter stories about Australia, or complain about evil mods and trolls 24 hours a day if that is what you need. Your space, your rules. The rules of this space are the owners do not care and they do not pay the mods, and I am actually amazed at the effort the mods put in with those conditions. Their rules, their space, so if you do not like it and your whines do not change it then create a space for yourself.

LOL

Just like clockwork the head troll rolls up. No idea what he said, nor do I care. Like I said the there was a simple solution to fix the thread. It wasn't taken and here we are.

Troll central.

Welp, this also is a productive thread.

Feel free to complain in ATF, that's what it's for. You can also feel free to suggest additional moderators to the owners of the site if that's what you think BFI needs.