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08-03-2011 , 09:54 AM
Btw guids, if that's true it has to be illegal!
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08-03-2011 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullitos
Btw guids, if that's true it has to be illegal!
haha...nah, it is understandable, it is a private company out to make a dollar, I understand the strategy, I just want to make sure that this is actually what is happening, so I can counter it.
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08-03-2011 , 09:59 AM
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I have a pristine VM at another IP, that I have never logged into google from, that I did testing with, and same result
It might simply new new website ranking variance (they can be quite volatile at first). But, do add a sitemap asap, and also you have empty meta descriptions on some of your pages, I'd fill these in carefully if I were you! How far down are you exploring when you enter the keywords? 5 pages?
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08-03-2011 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
It might simply new new website ranking variance (they can be quite volatile at first). But, do add a sitemap asap, and also you have empty meta descriptions on some of your pages, I'd fill these in carefully if I were you! How far down are you exploring when you enter the keywords? 5 pages?
I think I went up to about 7, but ya, it may just be because it is so new. I have not sat down and focused on this for more than an hour or so, will have to do so soon. thanks for the feedback
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08-03-2011 , 10:39 AM
hey guys,

I've been working on a website for some months on my localhost and its pretty close to being finished. And by the way this thread answered a lot of the questions I had when I started my project, so thanks to all the posters!

But right now I'm kinda stuck with something... web hosting. I've done a bit of research and got 1 offer from a smaller web host. That offer is confusing me a lot tho and is raising questions.

Their offer is 140$/month (49$ for services and 91$ for the server) and a one time set-up fee of 140$. That was based on a website that I'll be directly partnered with (that probably needs a new web host too and will be managed by me), which had a total of 268k visitors and 344gb bandwidth in july. The services would include maintenance and regular updates for php, mysql, mail server, OS and so on.

Now I'm confused because there are tons of web hosts that offer pretty much everything you need for less than 10$/month and "99,99%" uptime. Also I don't think the guy who made the offer is trying to rip me off for several reasons.

So anyways I would appreciate any input that sheds some light into my web host dilemma. Some recommendations for a website in a 150-250k visitor and 200-350gb bandwidth per month range wouldn't be bad either .
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08-03-2011 , 10:41 AM
That's a topic I'm not well versed in because I don't pull that kind of traffic, but I'm very sure the standard $10/m packages won't suffice something that uses that much bandwidth.

Host Gator (not affiliate link) has always been great to me, but again, I use their smaller $10/m package. Their customer support is excellent and I highly recommend that you hit them up and chat with them about this. They're straight shooters and will explain what you need.

Last edited by Phresh; 08-03-2011 at 10:50 AM.
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08-03-2011 , 10:48 AM
$50 for clicking a button every now and then to keep software updated is hugely expensive, it's a rip off imo unless there's something I'm missing. I'd learn to do it yourself if you need to with a dedicated server or virtual server and save $600 a year.

Also hosts charging setup fees seems a little out of date now, I don't know many still doing that.
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08-03-2011 , 11:12 AM
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I do, and I do not see anything blocked, that I did not want to be blocked; If I search for my exact company name we come up.

I previously searched for keywords that I wanted to be on the top for...we weren't at the top, but PG 1 for some PG 2 for others, since then we are just gone.
Couple of possibilities. You could have gotten a site wide penalty or you could be being filtered out for those particular keywords for over optimization. I have seen this happen many times over the last couples months in both forms. Either that or there are valid reasons why your competition is ranking better, you may not perceive them as competition but their could be valid reasons why they are outranking you, Google is heavily favoring authority brands these days.
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08-03-2011 , 11:23 AM
That's not it. The site is a few weeks old, not optimized currently, doesn't have extensive building, etc. It's just because the site is super new. It's super standard obviously. I checked and it's not deindexed. It's just super new.
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08-03-2011 , 11:27 AM
It's not really obvious if cwar doesn't know the URL now is it!
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08-03-2011 , 11:29 AM
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I agree with you, let me give some extra information. My site focuses on earning personal coaching through affiliating. Poker affiliation market is very saturated atm therefore we decided to add extra value by offering personal coaching like some affiliate sites offer extra value by adding a shop for example. At this point we're the only site offering something like this. However given very high competition in affiliate market it's still tough and expensive to get exposure unfortunately.

Our concept has an added value opposed to standard affiliate sites because we actually offer something 'cool' opposed to just some random rakeback/VIP numbers. This is also our main focus, instead of focusing on setting ourselves in the market as a site who offers good rakeback deals we focus on 'personal coaching' as our main product, although we are in essence (at this point) mainly an affiliate and we do actually also offer very good deals obviously.

Given that personal coaching is our main focus I feel like maybe paying respected blogs to write about us could be very efficient because our site has a story to tell and might look very attractive to people reading a blog. Opposed to some random sentence about 'best rakeback deals, click here' we offer a product which could really attract aspiring poker players for example.

Assuming all of this, how can I know if a blog is widely followed/respected, what's the best way finding out what sort of blogs I could approach?
Also given my extra information, do you guys have any specific tips?

My questions are probably pretty trivial, but I'll promise to come up with better ones in the near future!
OK I actually think Im familiar with your site. That said I disagree with your assessment that your niche is very competitive simply because I think it is a niche that has been proven to be something that individuals can fairly easily enter in regards to organic traffic. For that posting on blogs is fine I dont see why you would necessarily need to pay assuming you can produce some poker content. I have never paid for a guest post simply because I think bloggers for the most part dislike advertisers but if you can write knowledgeable about their topic they will often post it (assuming you have a little PR talent in you). You can also send samples to bloggers thats another good way and doesnt violate Google T&C. In terms of finding these blogs use Google as a pre-qualification process, if they rank high in Google they will be authorities on the topic.

All that said you built a website but didnt test the marketing at this point you should have already had a marketing plan. You might get away with it as many poker affiliate sites have (a testament to it not being very competitive) but really how you market your business is just as important as what the business is. In terms of paying for ads, the internet is a beautiful thing you can track and test everything. If that traffic makes you money scale it up, use good methods and tracking and it shouldnt be too complicated.
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08-03-2011 , 11:32 AM
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That's not it. The site is a few weeks old, not optimized currently, doesn't have extensive building, etc. It's just because the site is super new. It's super standard obviously. I checked and it's not deindexed. It's just super new.
Ah ok yes that is completely different. I thought it had been established for a bit for some reason.
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It's not really obvious if cwar doesn't know the URL now is it!
Yup no clue!
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08-03-2011 , 11:36 AM
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It's not really obvious if cwar doesn't know the URL now is it!
Relax.

I was saying that a new site not being visible on Google is super standard. I used the word 'obviously' because I'm fully aware that this is a well known process and I'm aware that I wasn't educating cwar on it.
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08-03-2011 , 12:41 PM
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Ah ok yes that is completely different. I thought it had been established for a bit for some reason.

Yup no clue!
It was odd, becuase when I first put it online, and did "some" advertisement, we jumped up quickly, then it went down; The timing was weird, so I asked the wrong questions, hoping to optimize this weekend, although, as someone else said, I dont think much of my traffic will be organic just due to the business model.
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08-03-2011 , 04:41 PM
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haha...nah, it is understandable, it is a private company out to make a dollar, I understand the strategy, I just want to make sure that this is actually what is happening, so I can counter it.
Isn't there something to be said for abusing their monopoly as a search engine this way? They could take so many business out of business if they'd want that. Seems unfair and way too much power for one single company.
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08-03-2011 , 05:45 PM
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Relax.

I was saying that a new site not being visible on Google is super standard. I used the word 'obviously' because I'm fully aware that this is a well known process and I'm aware that I wasn't educating cwar on it.
Yea that one is all on my reading comprehension.

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It was odd, becuase when I first put it online, and did "some" advertisement, we jumped up quickly, then it went down; The timing was weird, so I asked the wrong questions, hoping to optimize this weekend, although, as someone else said, I dont think much of my traffic will be organic just due to the business model.
It is kind of hard to know what is happening with a SERP without seeing what kind of sites are ranking, I could probably tell you really quickly if you are OK with sharing the keyword you are talking about ranking. Generally a volatile SERP means a very non-competitive SERP (this is relative, for example some one word keywords I will swing 40-50 spots daily but the top 10 barely moves thus the top 10 is competitive the top 100 is not).

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Isn't there something to be said for abusing their monopoly as a search engine this way? They could take so many business out of business if they'd want that. Seems unfair and way too much power for one single company.
I believe there is an anti-trust case against Google right now based on this. Interestingly enough I think one of the most important things any search engine does is public relations exactly because of this.
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08-03-2011 , 07:03 PM
ty Rolland, i get what you mean.
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08-04-2011 , 03:10 AM
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haha...nah, it is understandable, it is a private company out to make a dollar, I understand the strategy, I just want to make sure that this is actually what is happening, so I can counter it.

google is getting in trouble for this kind of thing .



http://www.techradar.com/news/intern...onopoly-970301
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08-06-2011 , 05:33 PM
That's good news I guess.

Also do you guys know any good literature on how to 'run a website'? I've always been a fan of combining experience with a lot of reading to speed up my learning process. Would really appreciate some advice here!
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08-06-2011 , 06:05 PM
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That's good news I guess.

Also do you guys know any good literature on how to 'run a website'? I've always been a fan of combining experience with a lot of reading to speed up my learning process. Would really appreciate some advice here!
What kind of website? That will determine what the best stuff to read is imo
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08-06-2011 , 06:15 PM
Question, I'm thinking of having a website made for the purpose of a ecommerce. Most important features are so customers can submit orders and pay online.

Anyways where are good places to get quotes and anyone with experience know ballpark what these cost to set up? I've only checked on 123triad.com and they charge $1800 with 1 yr web hosting. Appreciate any feedback thanks!
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08-06-2011 , 06:21 PM
Build a wordpress web page. Paypal and/or authorize.net done for under $200?
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08-06-2011 , 06:41 PM
Sorry what is a word press web page?
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08-06-2011 , 07:04 PM
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What kind of website? That will determine what the best stuff to read is imo
It's poker related and involves affiliation. I'm not sure how to properly answer this question though. Also I don't mind reading about other niches as I'm pretty sure I'll be looking to expand sooner or later anyways.
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08-07-2011 , 01:38 PM
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It's poker related and involves affiliation. I'm not sure how to properly answer this question though. Also I don't mind reading about other niches as I'm pretty sure I'll be looking to expand sooner or later anyways.
http://www.pokerseo.org
http://www.pokeraffiliatelistings.com
http://www.ourpersonalexperience.com...ng-term-money/
http://www.affiliatebible.com/ particularly http://www.affiliatebible.com/guide/

good luck, i started building affiliate websites recently, some of them poker related and feel like im making some progress, but theres very little in the traffic and money department in absolute terms so far
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