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Mistakes you've made while trading (WSB/Dumb trades thread) Mistakes you've made while trading (WSB/Dumb trades thread)

05-09-2020 , 02:29 PM
i figured it'd be good to have one of these threads so we can learn from other people's mistakes. It can either be from trades you made personally or someone else's trades. I'll start with this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetb...y_margin_call/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-huge-losses

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Syed Shah usually buys and sells stocks and currencies through his Interactive Brokers account, but he couldn’t resist trying his hand at some oil trading on April 20, the day prices plunged below zero for the first time ever. The day trader, working from his house in a Toronto suburb, figured he couldn’t lose as he spent $2,400 snapping up crude at $3.30 a barrel, and then 50 cents. Then came what looked like the deal of a lifetime: buying 212 futures contracts on West Texas Intermediate for an astonishing penny each.

What he didn’t know was oil’s first trip into negative pricing had broken Interactive Brokers Group Inc. Its software couldn’t cope with that pesky minus sign, even though it was always technically possible -- though this was an outlandish idea before the pandemic -- for the crude market to go upside down. Crude was actually around negative $3.70 a barrel when Shah’s screen had it at 1 cent. Interactive Brokers never displayed a subzero price to him as oil kept diving to end the day at minus $37.63 a barrel.

At midnight, Shah got the devastating news: he owed Interactive Brokers $9 million. He’d started the day with $77,000 in his account.

“I was in shock,” the 30-year-old said in a phone interview. “I felt like everything was going to be taken from me, all my assets.”
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05-09-2020 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellmuth was right
i figured it'd be good to have one of these threads so we can learn from other people's mistakes. It can either be from trades you made personally or someone else's trades. I'll start with this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetb...y_margin_call/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-huge-losses
Can someone explain this one a bit more to a noob. I assume he had to be buying with margin. At some point he got margin called by the broker who sold all his contracts at a huge negative price? If had just bought them in a cash account he could have just held them and sold them once positive again no?

Edited to add: I assume they expired EOD?
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05-09-2020 , 03:07 PM
Dndn. Feels like forever ago.

One full dose of their treatment was over $90,000.

3 things i remember:

1. one older seeking alpha guy posting pro dndn articles for years, then tripled down as the ship sank. He mysteriously disappeared from the platform one day near bankruptcy.

2. I asked a family member, who is a multi-decade board member on a leading cancer association, what she thought about that dose price. Her absolute clarity about the company’s inevitable failure was a great lesson. Personal experience in an investment space is soooo valuable (and also comes with bias too.)

3. It was my first introduction to Valeant, lol. I should have known what was coming just from the deneron acquisition.


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05-10-2020 , 10:12 PM
Bought MSFT when it went public. Sold before 87 crash. Never bought it back after the 87 crash even though I went long 2 weeks after the 87 crash. Still hurts .
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05-11-2020 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Sideline
Can someone explain this one a bit more to a noob. I assume he had to be buying with margin. At some point he got margin called by the broker who sold all his contracts at a huge negative price? If had just bought them in a cash account he could have just held them and sold them once positive again no?

Edited to add: I assume they expired EOD?
1. The guy didn't know what he is trading.
2. Normal option contract become worthless when reach 0.
3. Oil option contract can go to Negatives number.
4. Oil option contract mean you have to take delivery if you hold the contract
When it expire or paid a fines.
5. IB are stupid because their software did allow to show negatives number.
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05-11-2020 , 12:17 AM
If you hold oil option contract when it expire you will have to drive to Cushing OK to take delivery
And find storage space for it. If you don't they will find you.

Guess how many day trader or retail investor got hit with that.

The same software snafu also hit Chinese Retail Investor too.
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