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11-07-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
lolololol

jesus it must be pathetic to be so brainwashed.

yes the article "skims" over that. proly bc thats a complete lie.
If they are authorized by law then Trump can't touch them only congress can.
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11-07-2017 , 10:41 AM
its far from determined they are illegal.
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11-07-2017 , 10:57 AM
Everyone is brainwashed, just close the thread, no need to discuss.
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11-07-2017 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
its far from determined they are illegal.
"Not authorized" and "illegal" are not quite the same thing.
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11-07-2017 , 11:47 AM
and nor was that determined either.
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11-07-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
try to follow along.

we were discussing whether the republicans had engaged in actions to undermine obamacare. by removing the subsidies, they clearly did. that is just one example. others would be drastically decreasing the enrollment period, and advertising. those are facts, and it doesnt matter if the nytimes reports them or not.

then, ofc, was the uncertainty that they injected with their constant threats and promises to undermine the aca, but those are hard to measure. threats to subsidies and now threats at the mandate.

but really there is no point in "discussing" anything with authoritarian bootlickers like yourself who will deny facts at any cost.
you call it subsidies ; those who can think for themselves see it for what it is.
government money funneled back to BIG INSURANCE as payback for getting them elected.

my choice for my wife and I is $1900 a month with a 15k ded or no ins
I will choose no insurance , thanks for nothing Obama. hope yea right what a joke

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11-07-2017 , 12:00 PM
Don't forget the change.
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11-08-2017 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Dagashi3
No one in their right mind would believe it wasn't bulldozed through. Of course it was, lol. People didn't even read it. The entire Democratic party was nuked because of it and is in the worst state it's been in in the last 100 years. To even debate that is beyond laughable. The ACA literally opened the door for the current President of the United States.

Christ, what world are we living in when people can't tell what is truth and what is fiction?

WOW.
No one in their right mind would believe one word out of your troll mouth. Everything you have ever said on these forums is completely wrong. Everything. Not one word of what you just said is true. Not one. it is obvious to everyone here that you are either a miserable troll that only posts to disrupt the forums, or you are the most disgusting lowlife human on the plant. You're right - everyone can tell what you post is fiction. To even debate that is laughable.

The ACA was the most heavily debated major bill in the history of congress. Never before had they debated a bill in the full congress for 25 straight days. Their were well over 100 amendments from REPUBLICANS.

It's obvious you're a complete moron. Go back to your hole.
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11-08-2017 , 08:51 AM
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Timothy Jost, emeritus professor of law at Washington and Lee University School of Law, told us that "the basic statement that hundreds were adopted is wrong."
But Jost added that "there was very significant Republican participation early on on the Senate side. There were dozens of hours of debate, and Republicans like Sen. Chuck Grassley on the Senate Finance Committee were very engaged."
Jost said by September 2009 that period was over and from then on, the bill was strictly a Democratic piece of legislation.
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Gutierrez said that "hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted" during the drafting of the 2010 health care law. His statement has some basis, because Republican amendments were adopted in both the House and the Senate during the legislative process. Most of these amendments were not particularly meaningful, though, so calling it a bipartisan enactment effort remains a stretch.
Source

Also: There.
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11-08-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by corvette24
No one in their right mind would believe one word out of your troll mouth. Everything you have ever said on these forums is completely wrong. Everything. Not one word of what you just said is true. Not one. it is obvious to everyone here that you are either a miserable troll that only posts to disrupt the forums, or you are the most disgusting lowlife human on the plant. You're right - everyone can tell what you post is fiction. To even debate that is laughable.

The ACA was the most heavily debated major bill in the history of congress. Never before had they debated a bill in the full congress for 25 straight days. Their were well over 100 amendments from REPUBLICANS.

It's obvious you're a complete moron. Go back to your hole.
You're the most butthurt person on 2+2. It's obvious what I've said has gotten under your skin.

Not a single person on 2+2 has ever won a bet from me outside of sports except once, when they knew the outcome beforehand. Feel free to ask around.

It's not possible for both of us to be correct. I have a nice long list of the people who've lost to me. Please provide just one example of a person up on me lifetime.

You can't, because that person doesn't exist. You continue to make false claims to make yourself feel better about your views, but the results are obviously in my favor. By a lot. Undefeated.

Have a nice day.
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11-08-2017 , 10:22 AM
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The Affordable Care Act, also called Obamacare, received no Republican votes in either the Senate or the House of Representatives when it was passed in 2009. In the Senate, the bill was passed with a total of 60 votes, or 58 Democratic Party votes and 2 Independent Party votes. The House passed the legislation with 219 Democratic votes
https://www.reference.com/business-f...milarQuestions

Doesn't sound to me that the republicans were all that much in favor of it? If that isn't bulldozing I don't know what is.
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11-08-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dagashi3
You're the most butthurt person on 2+2. It's obvious what I've said has gotten under your skin.

Not a single person on 2+2 has ever won a bet from me outside of sports except once, when they knew the outcome beforehand. Feel free to ask around.

It's not possible for both of us to be correct. I have a nice long list of the people who've lost to me. Please provide just one example of a person up on me lifetime.

You can't, because that person doesn't exist. You continue to make false claims to make yourself feel better about your views, but the results are obviously in my favor. By a lot. Undefeated.

Have a nice day.
Wil when are you going to get over this cognitive dissonance whiplash you're going through? I get it... You just recently found out that all the liberals sugar candy mountain lies are lies. I know it's traumatic... But kind of like how the stock market reacts to bad news you're overreacting.

The solution to finding out one kind of fanaticism isn't real isn't to pick a new brand of fanaticism. Slow down and get more granular. Have independent opinions about each individual issue. Ignore the sides as both of them are waist deep in toxic waste.
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11-08-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbaseball
https://www.reference.com/business-f...milarQuestions

Doesn't sound to me that the republicans were all that much in favor of it? If that isn't bulldozing I don't know what is.
In fairness they did spend MONTHS trying to get the GOP work with them them on it. And Obamacare is mostly Romneycare which was invented by a conservative think tank and first executed by a Republican. That was a mistake. They should have started with an offer that was SCARY to the GOP and at least made it look like they might have the votes. That would induce some of the GOP moderates to actually come to the table. Begging didn't work at all.

I think the worst thing about Obamacare was how poorly it was handled politically. Because of that poor handling it was a virtual certainty that it would eventually collapse simply because it did nothing to account for additional healthcare cost increases. Obama gave great speeches, and I appreciate the fact that he showed a lot of restraint about additional foreign military entanglements... But he was truly 1/LBJ when it came to getting stuff done domestically.

That's why he won't go down in history as a great president. He had zero success moving the ball even when he had a super majority.
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11-08-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
Wil when are you going to get over this cognitive dissonance whiplash you're going through? I get it... You just recently found out that all the liberals sugar candy mountain lies are lies. I know it's traumatic... But kind of like how the stock market reacts to bad news you're overreacting.

The solution to finding out one kind of fanaticism isn't real isn't to pick a new brand of fanaticism. Slow down and get more granular. Have independent opinions about each individual issue. Ignore the sides as both of them are waist deep in toxic waste.
I don't like being lied to, and I especially don't like the effects it has on people. I mean, look at your situation. Failure of government and government policies leads to real world consequences. Liberals created a lot of problems and it has a direct effect on my life and those around me.

That being said, I don't think I'm overreacting, I don't hold any extremist views on the right. I did switch parties, though.
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11-08-2017 , 12:43 PM
One more thought... The extremists right now are on the left. The hammer and sickle flies in the politics forum on this very website. If that's not proof of my statement, I don't know what is. People should be ashamed of themselves to be on the side of views that lead to people embracing ****ing COMMUNISM. They are downright ****ing traitors in my book.

The whole world has gone crazy and it's due to the left. **** them.
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11-08-2017 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dagashi3
One more thought... The extremists right now are on the left. The hammer and sickle flies in the politics forum on this very website. If that's not proof of my statement, I don't know what is. People should be ashamed of themselves to be on the side of views that lead to people embracing ****ing COMMUNISM. They are downright ****ing traitors in my book.

The whole world has gone crazy and it's due to the left. **** them.
Einbert would probably argue that he is advocating communism as an economic system only but state owned everything does necessarily involve politics and how people are governed. In reading DS posts on taxing wealth, it is pretty clear that there is a,fair amount of support on 2+2 for a much more powerful federal government which means at the very least a lot more state control over industry/markets in the USA. There's a lot of government control already but apparently that isn't enough.
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11-08-2017 , 10:26 PM
A big state is an absolute nightmare scenario. If the last few years doesn't prove that I don't know what else does. And the more they get, the more they want.

Obama was the worst thing I've seen in my life politically, and I didn't realize it til just recently. He weakened the United States inside and out. It's ****ing scary how quickly it can happen.

Never again.
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11-08-2017 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbaseball
https://www.reference.com/business-f...milarQuestions

Doesn't sound to me that the republicans were all that much in favor of it? If that isn't bulldozing I don't know what is.
well ofc it doesnt when you have very little ability to formulate effective analysis of a subject.

but I will help you one more time, just bc I am the generous type. reread the didace post just above yours.
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11-08-2017 , 10:45 PM
lol - My post clearly shows how it was bulldozed through.
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11-08-2017 , 10:47 PM
Gutierrez said that "hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted" during the drafting of the 2010 health care law. His statement has some basis, because Republican amendments were adopted in both the House and the Senate during the legislative process.
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11-08-2017 , 11:58 PM
Don't cherry-pick the quote. Use the rest.

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Most of these amendments were not particularly meaningful, though, so calling it a bipartisan enactment effort remains a stretch.
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11-09-2017 , 12:29 AM
one statement is factual. the one you just quoted is not.
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11-09-2017 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dagashi3
No one in their right mind would believe it wasn't bulldozed through. Of course it was, lol. People didn't even read it. The entire Democratic party was nuked because of it and is in the worst state it's been in in the last 100 years. To even debate that is beyond laughable. The ACA literally opened the door for the current President of the United States.

Christ, what world are we living in when people can't tell what is truth and what is fiction?

WOW.
Dems just STEAMROLLED Virginia. Looks like the salad days of GOP rule may be in the rear view in ~year.
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11-09-2017 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoe


I think Obamacare is better than what he had, and needs to be further improved upon, but lol at thinking it was not bulldozed through, if anything a single payer system should have been bulldozed through instead. Health insurance should not be a private industry.
Shoe I agree with your conclusion. But thinking it was bulldozed through kinda goes against the facts and timeline.
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11-09-2017 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Dagashi3
One more thought... The extremists right now are on the left. The hammer and sickle flies in the politics forum on this very website. If that's not proof of my statement, I don't know what is. People should be ashamed of themselves to be on the side of views that lead to people embracing ****ing COMMUNISM. They are downright ****ing traitors in my book.

The whole world has gone crazy and it's due to the left. **** them.
Lol you elected dudes that are raising your taxes and lowering mine. Lol #winning
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