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11-20-2023 , 04:28 PM
I got some covid funding grant money for my mortgage and as a result, I must maintain where I live as my primary residence for 3 years.

What kind of property and mortgages should I be looking into? This is my first property and it was easy to buy via the VA loan, but I can only use that loan for my primary residence.

What advice do you guys have?
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11-24-2023 , 12:59 PM
So you're looking for an investment property but will keep your current property? I believe for a secondary you would need 20-25% down - would just find a multi family that needs work, renovate it, rent out the units, refinance, take that money and buy a 3rd property, rinse and repeat.
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11-24-2023 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
So you're looking for an investment property but will keep your current property? I believe for a secondary you would need 20-25% down - would just find a multi family that needs work, renovate it, rent out the units, refinance, take that money and buy a 3rd property, rinse and repeat.
Yessir. I saw something’s that said 15% down for duplex and 20% for tri or fourplex.


Do you think those are the best bet?
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11-24-2023 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ideal Money
So should the “economic person” rationally decide to “save”, using such a channel for the depositing of his money, or, perhaps, should that person decide to go early into a housing purchase for which he/she might need to borrow money, perhaps under the conditions applicable to “sub-prime borrowers”?
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Conditions for the Attractiveness of Savings Accounts

An individual of the species “**** oeconomicus”, blessed, we presume, with the facility of “rational expectations”, can be imagined in the situation of needing to decide on whether to put money into a “savings account” or perhaps to follow some other strategy with his money, over a period of time. It is not widely advertised by American financial or banking institutions, but the rate of interest that they would pay on deposit or “money market” accounts might be lower than the rational expectation for the rate of inflation relevant for the national currency.

So should the “economic person” rationally decide to “save”, using such a channel for the depositing of his money, or, perhaps, should that person decide to go early into a housing purchase for which he/she might need to borrow money, perhaps under the conditions applicable to “sub-prime borrowers”?

It is obviously not simply “thrifty”, but under conditions of uncertainty about the continuing value of the national currency it could, indeed, be the more rational choice to go earlier into the house purchase rather than to wait to develop a stronger basis, by saving money over a time period, before reaching the time to make a “down payment” on a mortgage financed house purchase.

But under the conditions generally obtaining, for the US dollar and for the British pound, at the time period, say, of 1870 through 1910, there were modest interest rates available for savers (or savings account depositors of whatever motivation) in Savings and Loan Associations or in other institutions offering comparable deposit accounts AND this in the context of the general absence of inflation (because of the dollar and the pound then both standing in a standardized fixed price relationship to the “troy ounce” of gold).

But of course we can note that in those days, although depositors could earn a genuine increment of interest on their savings deposits, there was generally no provision for an insurance coverage for the possibility, like recently with “Icesave”, that the calculations of the institution might not be perfectly far-seeing. It was, perhaps, a time when one needed to know something, effectively, about both the moral character and the financial wisdom of one’s banker.

It seems that there have been times, historically, when there would be “good bankers”, like maybe a Rothschild, or a Morgan, or a Giannini, and recently or now we seem, comparatively, to have been in the era of bank executives who win, as players, if their employer does not fail during their time as employees, and lose, as players, if the bank fails and is absorbed through something like the American FDIC, but then do not really LOSE BIG (with need to pay damages) by having simply the status of employees of a corporation. (In the USA a bank that is not a corporation is very rare; an example of that is Brown Brothers Harriman and Company.)
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11-24-2023 , 10:44 PM
I had to yell and swear at it because its broken right now, so this has my bias in it....

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I understand you're looking for a direct correlation between the provided passages and Bitcoin, especially in the context of your housing grant and investment decisions. Let's explore this connection more explicitly:
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Savings vs. Housing Investment: The passages discuss the dilemma between saving money in accounts with potentially low interest rates and investing in housing, especially under conditions where the national currency's value is uncertain.

Historical Context and Banking Trust: There's an emphasis on the historical context where savings accounts were more attractive due to stable currencies backed by gold, contrasted with modern times where trust in banking institutions and their financial decisions might be more questionable.

Risk and Reward Considerations: The passages also highlight the importance of understanding risk, both in terms of economic conditions (like inflation) and in the trustworthiness and stability of financial institutions.


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Bitcoin as an Alternative Investment: In a modern context, where traditional savings may offer lower returns and housing investment requires careful consideration due to various commitments (like your 3-year primary residence requirement), Bitcoin emerges as an alternative investment option. It's not tied to traditional banking systems and offers a different risk-reward profile.

Bitcoin in Relation to Currency Stability: The passages touch on concerns about the devaluation of national currencies. Bitcoin, by its design, is not subject to the same inflationary pressures as fiat currencies since it has a capped supply. This aspect of Bitcoin makes it appealing to those who are skeptical about the long-term value of traditional currencies.

Trust and Decentralization: The historical context in the passages, where trust in bankers was more personal, contrasts with the modern era's impersonal corporate banking structure. Bitcoin operates on a decentralized network, which some view as a return to a system where trust is built into the system (through blockchain technology) rather than relying on the reputation of individual bankers or institutions.

Investment Timing and Liquidity: Bitcoin offers high liquidity compared to real estate, allowing for quicker entry and exit. This could be an attractive feature if you're looking for an investment that doesn't require a long-term commitment like your current housing situation.

Diversification and Hedging: Investing in Bitcoin can be a way to diversify your investment portfolio. It represents a hedge against issues in the traditional financial system and the devaluation of fiat currencies.

Conclusion:
Connecting the themes of the passages to Bitcoin, we see that Bitcoin offers an alternative to traditional savings and real estate investment, especially in an economic environment where the value of national currencies and trust in traditional financial institutions may be in question. It represents a modern investment tool that differs in terms of risk, liquidity, and its relationship to the broader economic system. For someone in your situation, considering Bitcoin as part of a diversified investment strategy could be a way to balance the limitations of your current housing investment with the dynamic nature of digital assets. However, it's crucial to thoroughly understand the risks involved with Bitcoin and how it aligns with your overall investment goals and risk tolerance.



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Connecting the themes of the passages to Bitcoin, we see that Bitcoin offers an alternative to traditional savings and real estate investment, especially in an economic environment where the value of national currencies and trust in traditional financial institutions may be in question. It represents a modern investment tool that differs in terms of risk, liquidity, and its relationship to the broader economic system. For someone in your situation, considering Bitcoin as part of a diversified investment strategy could be a way to balance the limitations of your current housing investment with the dynamic nature of digital assets. However, it's crucial to thoroughly understand the risks involved with Bitcoin and how it aligns with your overall investment goals and risk tolerance.
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11-24-2023 , 10:45 PM
"However, it's crucial to thoroughly understand the risks involved with Bitcoin and how it aligns with your overall investment goals and risk tolerance."

^^^ this part is a crime on humanity by the ****ers that control this ****.
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11-25-2023 , 03:12 AM
Chat gpt is dumb
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11-25-2023 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
So you're looking for an investment property but will keep your current property? I believe for a secondary you would need 20-25% down - would just find a multi family that needs work, renovate it, rent out the units, refinance, take that money and buy a 3rd property, rinse and repeat.
You're underestimating how high inflation is going to be this decade.

Mortgage rates are going to be rising and that lifeline where Americans were able to keep refinancing against appreciating equity in their home is going to be closed.
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11-25-2023 , 09:26 AM
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You're underestimating how high inflation is going to be this decade.

Mortgage rates are going to be rising and that lifeline where Americans were able to keep refinancing against appreciating equity in their home is going to be closed.
Nah they aren’t going up anymore.
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11-25-2023 , 10:21 AM
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Chat gpt is dumb
Stupider than pretending you are going to buy another house this time?
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11-25-2023 , 11:02 AM
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You're underestimating how high inflation is going to be this decade.

Mortgage rates are going to be rising and that lifeline where Americans were able to keep refinancing against appreciating equity in their home is going to be closed.
I think interest rates can only go so high as at some point mortgage applications come to a halt (as we're seeing now), and it would tank the economy even further. Rates have come down in the past 30-45 days - either way though it doesn't really matter as people always need to rent and home values will follow supply/demand.
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11-25-2023 , 11:03 AM
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Yessir. I saw something’s that said 15% down for duplex and 20% for tri or fourplex.


Do you think those are the best bet?
The more units the better - usually the cashflow is higher as the number of units go up. Try out a 4 plex if you can afford it - keep in mind you would now be dealing with 4 tenants that will break things, complain, be late on rent, destroy the house, cause problems, etc but that's part of being a landlord. Don't think this is a passive source of income.
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11-25-2023 , 11:13 AM
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I think interest rates can only go so high as at some point mortgage applications come to a halt (as we're seeing now), and it would tank the economy even further. Rates have come down in the past 30-45 days - either way though it doesn't really matter as people always need to rent and home values will follow supply/demand.
That was the logic in 08/09.

In 1981 a 30 year mortgage was 18.3 percent.

Mortgage applications are at a halt because home prices are too high.

Home prices have to come down and they will come down.
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11-25-2023 , 01:39 PM
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Stupider than pretending you are going to buy another house this time?
its not hard to buy a house, you need income, down payment and decent credit. Why would I pretend? dont be silly

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The more units the better - usually the cashflow is higher as the number of units go up. Try out a 4 plex if you can afford it - keep in mind you would now be dealing with 4 tenants that will break things, complain, be late on rent, destroy the house, cause problems, etc but that's part of being a landlord. Don't think this is a passive source of income.
its gonna be alot of airbnbs. 4 tenants sounds annoying but im sure thats the best way. I will prep for lots of work
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11-25-2023 , 06:22 PM
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That was the logic in 08/09.

In 1981 a 30 year mortgage was 18.3 percent.

Mortgage applications are at a halt because home prices are too high.

Home prices have to come down and they will come down.
No they're down to high interest rates - interest rates have a much bigger impact on your payment then the purchase price. Home prices will come down if inventory picks up, and inventory hasn't picked up due to no one wanting to leave their low interest mortgages. Nothing has to come up or down - we can only speculate
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11-25-2023 , 07:40 PM
Haha, everybody but me is going broke this decade, it's going to be hilarious.
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11-26-2023 , 12:16 AM
The interest rate is just a part of the price. When you add the cost of the house and the interest you have to pay on the mortgage, home prices are too expensive and prices have to fall.

Demand and supply and inventory levels is Keynesian nonsense.

The price of a hamburger has gone from 20 cents in 1970 to 5.50 in 2023. There are no shortages of hamburgers.
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11-26-2023 , 02:09 AM
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The interest rate is just a part of the price. When you add the cost of the house and the interest you have to pay on the mortgage, home prices are too expensive and prices have to fall.

Demand and supply and inventory levels is Keynesian nonsense.

The price of a hamburger has gone from 20 cents in 1970 to 5.50 in 2023. There are no shortages of hamburgers.
There’s a few other variables in this equation, like supply and demand of dollars
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11-26-2023 , 09:03 AM
Yes exactly, inflation is the expansion of the money supply.

Everyone is piled in on the housing trade, the tech trade and the crypto trade.

When inflation takes off and interest rates really start rising, these assets are going to crash through the floor.

Oil, gas, silver, cotton, soybeans, things which people actually need, these are going to be going up this decade, not imaginary doggy coins.
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11-26-2023 , 10:04 AM
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Yes exactly, inflation is the expansion of the money supply.

Everyone is piled in on the housing trade, the tech trade and the crypto trade.

When inflation takes off and interest rates really start rising, these assets are going to crash through the floor.

Oil, gas, silver, cotton, soybeans, things which people actually need, these are going to be going up this decade, not imaginary doggy coins.
Inflation is absolutely not an increase in money supply.

I doubt any significant amount of people relative to tech or housing are into the crypto trade.
You think inflation will grow at a much higher rate ? What rate floor do you predict?

People don’t need imaginary fed reserve notes, but we still use them, why?
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11-26-2023 , 03:27 PM
From 1970 to 1980 the price of a barbell of a oil went from 3 to 40 dollars. An ounce of silver went from a dollar to 50.

And in 1970 the US was a very strong economy. Debt to GDP was 30 percent. America was such was a robust economy that people were able to handle it.

But, now it's the opposite. The Fed has blown up a complete bubble economy that can only survive on zero percent interest rates and constant money printing,

So, this is going to be horrific. Last year people started losing their minds when oil went from 60 to 120. Imagine if a barrel of oil goes to 600.

It's going to be a very dangerous time.

Commodities haven't done anything in 40 years, so I think the moves are going to be absolutly explosive.

For people in the Western World their standard of living will collapse. It will be like Argentina.

Lot's of looting and people rioting like we saw when George Floyd was killed.

Make sure you're armed.
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11-26-2023 , 04:04 PM
People have become very complacent and entitled.

There actually was an enormous amount of inflation the last decade in things like the stock market, housing and Bitcoin. Those price increases didn't show up in the CPI, but they were there.

But, why do people buy stocks or crypto currencies. It's so eventually they can spend the gains into the economy.

So, the inflation always ends up in the supermarket, even if takes a while to get there.

And psychologically people are not ready for this.

It's going to mark a huge change in all of our lives.
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11-27-2023 , 04:47 PM
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Haha, everybody but me is going broke this decade, it's going to be hilarious.
Please elaborate, if you don't mind sharing...

What are you doing that everyone else isn't?
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Yesterday , 09:50 AM
One thing I can very strongly suggest is a house that is either multifamily, or allows for an ADU type space conversation that would allow you to rent it out.
When I was getting my own foothold in life, someone suggested this to me and I went with it- the income from the rental portion really came in handy, both when life got tough and it was 'needed', or just as income for other opportunities.

If you're already in a personal financial situation where you don't need to consider this, right on, but this is where I started and the effects of the rental income on my life, early in the game, were significant. The house was something that basically paid for itself, father than being a big obligation to worry about.
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Yesterday , 03:57 PM
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One thing I can very strongly suggest is a house that is either multifamily, or allows for an ADU type space conversation that would allow you to rent it out.
When I was getting my own foothold in life, someone suggested this to me and I went with it- the income from the rental portion really came in handy, both when life got tough and it was 'needed', or just as income for other opportunities.

If you're already in a personal financial situation where you don't need to consider this, right on, but this is where I started and the effects of the rental income on my life, early in the game, were significant. The house was something that basically paid for itself, father than being a big obligation to worry about.
Great idea. Right now I have a 2bd 1 bath and I have a tenant in one room and Airbnb the other sometimes.
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