Ya I thought about putting it in the Politics forum but since Tooth could not defend his position that 'experts are infallible in application when the science is consensus' I did not think that fair to him.

He went to great length to state and then clarify that his position was, in fact, a statement on the 'application of the science by the experts' and not the underlying science itself and that he believes it 0% chance the experts can make a mistake when the underlying science is consensus.

If your goal was to discuss a topic you would just present the topic. Your goal is clearly to tally a scorecard in an attempt to humiliate Tooth.

if this was an off the shelf topic that I think everyone would be clear on with an instant summary I would agree.

I think, this being a more controversial topic 'the belief in the infallibility of experts' and that being Tooth's position, that it requires citations to give his arguments the fair treatment and context they deserve.

Look, Tooth believes he made incontrovertible arguments in support of the infallibility of experts. He thinks it is 'case closed'. I could cite it as 'XYZ argued...' instead of 'Tooth argued...' but I doubt that does much.

I think many people would want to know specifically who is putting forth the "experts are infallible" argument.



(and sorry, if there was a way i could argue with Tooth and not humiliate him, I would do that. It just seems to not be an option)

This.

This needs to become a "let's exile Cuepee" thread.

If we had active mods who read this forum, Cuepee would have been exiled a long time ago for the betterment of everyone, when the entire covid thread of every political persuasion was begging him to stfu. It's not even controversial that he doesn't belong here. High volume very stupid posting that's quasi trolling and quasi obsession.

His posts in this thread are a perfect encapsulation of zero content, worthless obsessed spew posting that no one wants to read, obsessed and unaware of it and ridiculously stupid. How can any mod read this thread end to end and decide this guy contributes anything worthwhile and is a net positive?

What the **** is this crap? This isn't normal:
(his bolding). The weirdest thing is that he actually thinks he's fooling anyone with this nonsense.

lol.

Tooth, is this now you trying to backpedal against your clearly stated and quotable view that there was a '0% chance the experts could apply the science wrongly. if the underlying science was accurate'?


I want you to remember we have you quoted upthread numerous times stating Unequivocally that is exactly what you are were saying. That 'it was impossible for the experts to make a mistake.'

Might as well have a subforum called tooth vs politics weirdos or something

This is getting stupid

'Tooth getting destroyed by...' would be a better title.

Yes things he says do get stupid though. You are correct about that.

Science, that is technological progress, is the way thru this. Some of these possibilities are already being discovered. What we know in 10 or even 5 years will be quite a bit more than what we know now.

Brute forcing reduction in greenhouse gases by essentially shutting down what many people consider normal (and essential) activity is probably not the most effective nor efficient method of achieving the primary goals.

Also, these brute force methods do little to restore life habitats that have been decimated thru one reason or another. Effort should be placed on achieving goals of improving quality of ALL life on Earth, not trying to solve a single metric.

Totally agree PokerHero that science advancements are almost certainly our way out of this.

That said do you agree with Tooth, that once we have accepted and proven science that there is zero percent chance of deployment or implementation risk?

Do you agree that if Biden or the UN picks the experts to deploy the science that it is impossible they could make a mistake and are infallible?

I think implementation risk is significant and cannot be discounted to 0% which is in direct contrast to Tooth who is arguing the experts are infallible and thus no implementation risk is present or to be factored in.

My mistake I thought this was a thread for discussing "Global economic impact of global warming," but now i see it is"Cupee is obsessed with toothsayer."

Yeah Cuepee is really unwell in the head and a horrible poster besides. He's now followed me to two other threads bringing the same crap there:

Never mind the utter stupidity that there's absolutely zero contradiction between not trusting experts to handle/get correct & timely information about epidemiology and pandemics vs the relatively simple physical delivery of SO2, which is an engineering problem not requiring judgment calls.

He's just completely ****ed in the head.

You can start a second and third thread on the same topic and leave him out of the second and third threads. He doesn't need to argue with you 3x and the point was it can be discussed by a different bloc of posters, as each separate forum self selects for...different blocs of posters

Obvious Cuck Containment Thread is obvious

Yeah, certainly no judgement calls in geoengineering climate change at a global scale. Carry on.

That's correct. Geoengineering sounds scary to stupid people but all it involves is putting the same SO2 in the stratosphere that volcanoes have done thousands of times including during recent human history (e.g. the Little Ice Age from 1300-1700, Krakatoa) to no major ill effect except cooling. It's a self limiting natural process.

It and dozens of other mitigation strategies mean that the "end of the human race" from global warming is pure idiot hysteria.

Both Cuepee and you are such horrible worthless posters that you went on a three thread posting spree thinking you'd found an inconsistency because I think humans are reliably capable of doing this simple thing, while demonstrably not being capable (in the West) of managing a pandemic well.

That's the entire idiot discussion. It's mind boggling in its level of stupidity, obsession and post volume generated and proves by itself Cuepee deserves an exile.

You should both be banned from BFI. You contribute nothing of worth, you're high volume, and no one wants to read anything you say.

You (tgiggity) are such a mega weirdo/pathological liar that you actually claimed you had 3 early 20s friends on ventilators to try and win a debate about how rare severe covid complications were for the young:
You've been butthurt and going fater me ever since I ran the math on that claim proving it was a shameless lie and everyone laughed at you. Just pure scum; who lies about friends lying near death in hospitals to try to win a debate?

Holy ****. Do you really believe this?

I will quote you saying this now forever.

Imagine being Tooth and thinking that in the midst of a global warming climate catastrophic (as he put it) that the solution of spraying aerosols into the atmosphere to counter involves zero judgment calls.

Imagine being Tooth and thinking the science is so set and proven that it does not even require expertise to do so, 'just follow the instructions on the can and spray'.

Holy f*ck this guy is dumb.


I am literally offering $1000 free money, no not a bet to anyone who can make the Tooth argument in a way that would be believable with an ounce of common sense.


NO Tooth, the process of spraying Aerosols into the atmosphere would involve a massive of variables that would need to be calculated. You are so stupid that you do not see how you already said that prior with your 'they could even tweak it to make NYS more like Florida'. That means nation wide each area might need a different concentration of the aerosols. Some EXPERT has to determine that. Some EXPERT needs to NOT make a mistake in determining that.


(Now that I have educated you can start to pivot and change and try to disown your stupidity on this)

Imagine that.

Imagine being as stupid as Tooth.

Geoengineering the atmosphere across different regions all across the country involves zero judgement from the experts apply9ing it. ZERO.

And you are an idiot if you do not understand it is templets. Just throw a switch, squeeze the aerosol can as written on the can and apply not one ounce of independent thought or calculations.

The instructions are are already created NOW for the differences between Florida and Minnesota. Nope do not think. Do not consider the depth of the crisis. It is all the same whether we spray it now or 10 years from now in the midst of a severe crisis. Not one ounce of thought to considering any of that where an 'Expert' could make a mistake. This process is mistake proof.

And as people rush in to defend poor Tooth from his own idiocy they wonder why I will not stop. The people who will never say 'holy f*ck Tooth, you are stupid, just stop' and instead say 'why... whyyyyy are yu being so mean and trying t out his stupidity'. FLOL

Yes

I'd bet a lot he has 30+ IQ points on you.

You need to be quarantined to politics and certainly not allowed to start threads here.

Tooth, just to be crystal clear this is your point I am going to quote forever more...


'... you believe and have stated that since there is literally zero judgement required to spraying aerosols into the atmosphere to rebalance global warming to safe levels, that any government worker can implement the process without doing a single calculation now or 10 years from now, in any area or all areas across the US simultaneously again without an ounce of judgement applied. It is all spelled out now with exactly the procedures to follow and IMPOSSIBLE to get wrong..."


That is exactly your position just noted for posterity which I will add to your quotables for other threads and any time i see you disparaging experts.

I'll make you another bet. No not even a bet. A gift. I will send $1000 if you can substantiate Tooths argument and show it is not stupid. Stop washing his balls and show he has actually said something intelligent.

Free money if you believe in your lord and saviour. But I know you will not even try. You know why and I know why and it because you know he is stupid.

Ok lets say that everyone thinks tooth is stupid

then what?

What do you gain from this?

He is just one man or will you crusade against every single person you deem to spread misinformation?

The point then it is proof that 'sycophantry' and 'sides' determine what people will claim is 'right' or 'fair' or 'smart' on this forum and not fact or honest assessments of arguments.

Something that is already clear but I know no one will admit (safe space) and as such I will just continue to rub it in their face.

Their idol and leader is a shame. And a stupid one at that. Imagine someone making the argument that the experts are infallible in this endeavour and once he realizes he has made a stupid argument and got bested over it and called out and proven wrong, he instead triples down and claims 'there is not one iota of discretion and thus zero ability for judgement failures in the process of regulating atmospheric changes during a climate crisis situation'.


Tooth legit believes that there were be not one iota of judgment to be applied and thus the process if fool proof and literally cannot be done in error.

People can make errors cooking a hamburger but Tooth says it is impossible to do so regulating the climate.

And what happens? People rush in to defend his intelligence. FLOL. ...Safe space cult.

You are batshit crazy sir. And completely obsessed:
As if bringing this three different threads didn't already prove this. Even that would be tolerable if you didn't also have the worst reading comprehension and general knowledge of anyone on 2p2. For example, this was never said:

You often quote things I don't say, paraphrasing into your own completely different assertions. It's the basis of most of your commentary actually

Then there's this absolute howler not even knowing what the stratosphere is despite spending 30+ posts on "get Tooth" rage bender on this very topic (showing you have zero interest in the topic and didn't read the paper in question or even glance at it):
You're not mentally well. I actually thought Don Quixote was a bit ridiculous - who could go that crazy? - but seeing you go full mental case trying to "get" me in a way not unlike tilting at windmills, I have a new appreciation for that book and mental illness.

Mods should really exile you for your own good. The whole forum wants you gone, you provide nothing of worth, ever, in BFI, you're horribly obsessed and completely unaware of it and actually think you're doing the Lord's work spewing your crazy madlibs. You need a break. The mods have really failed here, you should have been the moment everyone of every political persuasion was begging you to stfu in the corona thread.

The final showcase of crazy:

It's not a lie and I didn't bring it up to win a debate. Your idea of running math is making up random numbers that suit your purposes. Case and point, you were raving hysterically about how bitcoin is 100% going to 15k before 50k.

You are a pathological liar Tooth. You lie about stock trading, you lie about me, you lied about shorting bitcoin at 44k... Multiple people have offered you thousands of dollars to post a screenshot of your short position, or even just state a liquidation price. You won't because you can't.