You are absolutely not doing that. You and the other politics posters are coming in here and tarding up the thread with personal attacks. You all swarmed in here to disrupt the discussion, which I thought was going along pretty marvelously until the usual suspects showed up.

You, trolly, corvette, 6ix, and samsonh all came here, into this particular forum and this particular thread to cause trouble. People like Howard Beale did not.

I personally don't want you here and I wish you'd leave. If this were reverse, I would leave. I read the POG thread but I don't post in there because I know I'd be disruptive to their discussions. You seem to lack that self-awareness.

Please, leave.

I've read this before. 10% is the magic number, it seems? Do you think they've reached that critical mass? Also, in the modern world, due to the reach and scope that technology provides, do you think it spreads faster? I would think the people preaching 50 years ago had a harder time to spread the message because they had to do it in person?

It troubles me that the internet provides a platform where ideas can spread too quickly. It's almost as if people don't have the time to sit and think about what they are actually advocating. Or maybe I'm wrong.

What is scaring me isn't the left extremists, they have always been there. It's the ones on the left who are normal, rational people who refuse to speak out against them due to fear. Once that fear factor is there... I just don't know how far this will go. I know I"ll do my part and vote straight right, all the way down the ballot. I simply can't believe what I'm seeing.

You're personalising what should be an interesting debate about AI and the political future. Your vision of the future appears to be comprised of bigotry and hatred of minorities; these therefore form part of the debate.

Maybe you have zero self-awareness? Without this how would you spread your 'ideas'?

This thread went along really well until your friends showed up. Everyone can agree on that, no? There is a mirror thread in the politics forum as proof.

You have your own forum and your own thread to post in. You do not need to be in this one, unless you actually do not believe what you say and actually care about the opinions of people you claim to hate. I don't look up your post history and follow you into other forums. I don't like you and I surely do not want to debate anything with you in other forums. You claim to dislike me, TS, and Juan yet actively find out where we are and join in discussions.

You say one thing and do another. I say one thing and do it. Who is the honest person here? Go away, Jalfrezi, and take your friends with you.

And North Korea is a democratic people's republic.

Good example of how you are intellectually dishonest to cover up your extreme views, have gullible sheep follow your arguments and have no one put in any serious effort to counter them because the premise is just so dumb. I like you as a BFI poster but my god do you go crazy on certain subjects.

Read my follow up post and tell me if you still disagree. It's the one axis labels that are dumb. If I were to write it out as axes of belief, 70+% would have the left and Nazis matching up, and on the things that matter (like the state as the solution to problems, hatred and shunning and even violence toward those with different philosophies, the silencing of competing ideas, the need for revolution rather than conservatism). Only racism is substantially different. But that's more a product of the age - all of the world was racist/antisemitic in the 30s. It was the ideology above that made the difference and created the vehicle for nasty people to gain power. You do realize this, right? Hard left thinking was the reason the Nazis got in. It would have been impossible for them to grasp power without the set of hard left ideologies they championed. Just like in Russia and China. How is this not obvious to you?

I don't think this is even controversial. It's sad that people don't see it. Views of history have diverged totally from what history actually was. That runs the risk of repeating it.
What are my exteme views? I'm libertarian, like most smart people. A basic set of laws to protect people and property, and provide for basic needs and education, then leave people the **** alone as much as is practical. If that's extreme, what on Earth do you believe?
Just quoting this again. This thread was fine when it was BFI regulars. Lots of viewpoints, no conclusions but a broad range of enlightening ideas (traders hate conclusions; you get raped quickly in the market if you're sure of something, it's like the exact opposite of politics)

I don't need to spread anything. I'm not here to make friends or to look for acceptance from people who I'll never meet. I mean you no harm but if you died today I wouldn't care in the least bit.

I only care about truth, and arguing with you people has made the truth abundantly clear. In a way, I should thank you. Now go away.

People voicing unacceptably bigoted views should expect to have them challenged. If you want to express them without fear of disagreement, 4chan and stormfront etc would be better places for you to advance your 'ideas' about physically assaulting transgender people, for example.

My views on transgenders are mainstream, yours are not. I'm right, you are wrong.

It's a ****ing trope, man.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/07/is-your-hate-pure

Aren't you supposed to be a savvy man of the world with a sense of humor?

Well never mind, I'm sure the truth will out as it did on P7.

I'll leave you alone for a bit now as we're off on holiday to Italy (again). I hope the thought of Europeans enjoying themselves on foreign holidays still makes you rage and despair at how lazy and unproductive they are.

You'll be much happier if you can be more understanding and less hateful...but we're back to the donkey with no wheels again.

Also, wait,

I gotta admit you using my ellipses so that wil only sees the second part is pretty crafty. This is the top-shelf ToothSayer I've been looking for.

And you'll note I agreed with you, and it's far from the only thing I've agreed with you about ITT. Is this just the contrarian bone jerking and leading you to calling me a Hitler Youth? In contrast to the above craftiness, this is bottom-shelf cut-rate ToothSayer.

You should know that the vast majority of Americans do not want to be like Europeans. We do not envy you, we feel we are superior to you, except for the American left who favor big government and small citizens. There is a good reason why you align with them. They want to be western Europe. The rest of America does not.

That difference is the key to why we do not support the same policies. YOU should want to be like US, not the other way around! That is why you proudly speak about your vacations and care less about your work and I speak exactly the opposite. You live your life for selfish reasons, while I do not.

You know that when your post is indistinguishable from wil's gibberish, mistakes were made somewhere.

You've gone soft, TS.

Well on that note I'll post this again:



I literally just read the thread straight through. What you, and especially wil, are saying is not reality. It's just not.

Now, you know me, so I find this part, the behavioral psychology part, way more interesting than any BFI bull****, but I'm inclined to just let it go. Or, like, we could bet on it or something.

Note this post:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=701

And then note the replies:

And, wow, still nothing about Friedman and Hayek's approach to and endorsement of some form of UBI! Weird!!!

There's reality, and then there are Westworld robots saying the course of this thread doesn't look like anything to them.

People here disagree with you:
Thread was fine when it was BFI regulars. UBI is naturally somewhat political, but it didn't descend into chaos until Sklansky sent up his SOS to 2p2's commie forum. Like I said, strange bedfellows.

Perhaps this was his punishment for his ideas getting savaged. If so, I take my hat off.

I can't tell if you clicked that link in my post or not, and I can't tell which would be more bizarre.

Anyhow, here it is again:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=701

I lurv the smell of Politics 8.0 in the morning.

I think he wanted people to support his argument, not to start burning the house down.

SJWs don't know how to do anything but burn the house down. They are the trainwreck of our times. They ruin every single thing they touch, and they are proud of it. Stormfront is a website that advocates the genocide of black people. The politics forum on 2+2 is one where they advocate the genocide of white people, RIGHT NOW.

When I say they are two sides of the same coin, am I wrong? They both hate a group of people, the only difference is their skin color. When rep+ can say:


and not get a perma-ban, I don't know what else to say. If he'd have said

he'd be gone, and every single person reading this knows it.

Also, iamnotawerewolf is a POGger.

Also, I had the slimmest of hopes wil was going to regale me with what was wrong about Friedman and Hayek's approach to the UBI, but instead he said Politics was advocating white genocide. So, that was weird.

I disagree. The SJWs in P have basically condemned him for being an out of touch old timer, racist type. He was trying to gain some cred with the SJWs in P as silly as that seems.

I wouldn't go that far but they really aren't interested in engaging people they disagree with for the most part. They just use ad hominem attacks mostly in dealing those they disagree with.

I didn't think of this at all actually. Very interesting.