Is this performance art?

I made this post last night:



And nobody touched it. I'm assuming that because nobody touched it the discussion already took place, so can somebody kindly point me to the post# where Friedman's (and Hayek's, you dudes probably worship him) ideas about a UBI are argued against?

Also,

As a question to,

Was met with crickets dot mp3.

In fairness, your posting is nonsensical, content-free, or consisting solely of personal attacks--or all three of the above--99% of the time, so I would imagine you have burned through any goodwill and desire people might have towards engaging you.

Oh yeah, and if you're curious about how specifically this thread would be different in Politics, for one, blatantly stupid lies like below wouldn't be tolerated:


I would never have guessed in a million years that a statement like #4 would be left in the dust by a previous statement in the same post.

5ive thinks that he can post 99.999% complete drivel and personal attacks and then the one post he seriously wants and answer, the world should stop and now give him the respect he deserves, lol.

Maybe by the time he gets to his 9ine account he'll realize the vast majority of people in the threads he posts in doesn't give a damn about a single word he says? He's the most ignored poster I've ever seen.

Here you go. Apology accepted.



And numerous programs and policies that were set up in the name of the poor do hurt the most disadvantaged. The black teenage unemployment rate was 10% before the first minimum wage hike in 1948. It is 40% now. It is great that you are citing Milton Friedman in your previous post. Here is a former student of Milton Friedman that explains. https://townhall.com/columnists/thom...oment-n1384463

The black illegitimacy rate was 25% in 1965. It is nearly 75% now because of the perverse welfare incentives to encourage not getting married. Here is a collaborator of Friedman's. https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/w...rate-nearly-75

Here is someone pointing out what anyone who has taken Econ 101 should know about long term unemployment benefits. They raise the level of unemployment and then make it harder for those who are unemployed to get back into the labor force. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#57601dea7a4a

I can't even.

Yeah, I don't particularly GAF what you want to tell yourself to fill in the blank of,

"A is true because ____,"

as I'm only focused on the first part, A being true. That should've been obvious in context, right? I mean, it's totally ****ing adorable, but also depressing, always, so very, very, depressing, that both you and wil seem to think I wanted an answer to that post when what I wanted has no bearing on the main point of this conversation.

So we're in agreement.

But OK, since I got you on the line, here's something way more interesting that whatever stupid BFI bull**** there is to talk about; what are your thoughts on wil having me on ignore, yet posting this:


Now I know you're probably thinking he doesn't actually have me on ignore, he just ignores me, because that would be utterly insane, right?

Butnah, he's repeatedly made a big show of putting people on his very short ignore list and, this is the good part, has repeatedly posted in a thread where it was blatantly obvious he was only reading one side of the conversation and the snippets that were quoted.

So, we're left with 2 options:

1. He doesn't actually have me on ignore but goes out of his way to fake like he does, to the point of purposely posting as if he's misunderstanding a full conversation by only reading 1/2 of it.

2. He does actually have me on ignore, for thousands of posts, yet talks with complete comical confidence about the content of those posts. The posts that he had not read. Because he has me on ignore. (honestly, every time I type this out I have to pause and marvel)


Either way is thoroughly insane, right?

Also, bonus prize of Ten Free Internets if you can figure out what all that has to do with the topic of this thread.

****ing **** man do you think my google doesn't also work?

And I wasn't even trying to set a trap, I was just being lazy.

But here's the thing, you honestly thought I read your statement and thought, "Well that's not true," and then did nothing else? That even if I was absolutely sure, I still wouldn't google it out of curiosity about where you found that specific stat?



And then, even seeing that Politifact rated that as mostly true, I still went ahead and posted. And none of that gave you any pause? You just walked right into it.

All I gotta say really is God Bless Capitalism. If all this was any sort of actual meritocracy and you dudes actually had to rely on Rugged Self-Determination and couldn't scam your way into money, you'd be on the waiting list for that coveted assistant ditch digger position. ****ing hell.

That is probably a verified quote, but on topic, this thread kept getting derailed well before Sklansky The Elder called in the cavalry (also corvette isn't necessarily a "Politics poster"), mainly by wil and TS. I'm literally reading the thread through right now. BoredSocial kept saying some derivation of, "Ok, but, back on topic..."

Psychological projection is fascinating and entertaining like 98% of the time but beyond that it's just enough is enough already, FFS.

whoa lol

**** got a little too real here WTF

I don't dabble in corvette24's style but I can never fault a man's hate for being pure.


p.s. Like, I don't feel that way about Wil The Specific but I totally feel that way about Wil The General.

Most of the evil in the world has come from people believing that they or others who share their views are licensed to hate because of their own moral righteousness. You would have done very well in the Hitler Youth, they share your views. This is iin essence what's wrong with the left - the certainty that they're morally right and the belief that they're allowed to hate and lie and cheat and nag and bully because of it. It's a very sad state to be in as a human. A little more philosophical and moral sophistication would be nice.

When does corvette get banned? A crazy string of posts.

Also, the people who turned up here are the ones David Sklansky invited when his "tax the rich" or "this particular wealthy act is unacceptable and it's ok to steal from them!" claims got hammered. lol. Strange bedfellows for a thinking man.

Except for the small point that the Hitler Youth would've had him beaten up and god knows what else for being a lefty.

You have a pathological hatred of the left and of minorities that permeates every post you write.

lol TS, always

Calm down a bit, it's just wil and once you get to know him and realise he's just a small man with a big chip on his shoulder about not being white (because he'll never be full accepted by the white supremacists whose boots he licks), you stop taking his threats seriously and start laughing at his immense stupidity and bigotry. He's an unintended comedy act of the highest quality.

Also, castigating TS and co for not having morals is like kicking a donkey for not having wheels. He's a libertarian and the only things he believes in are the market and racism.

The Nazis were a socialist party. Nazi is an abbreviation of the German words for National Socialists. They were the exact opposite of right wing libertarianism. They were competing bedfellows with the communists. Basically racist communists.

Anyway, the hate and totalitarianism is the same, and that's what matters. The absolute moral certainty that you're right. The lean of your the politics is mostly an accident of birth - not much you can do about that. Both left and right wing thinking has valuable insights and contributions to make, they pull society in two different directions. I don't lean any particular way, although I have a preference for libertarianism, as I think in practice it achieves the best moral and economic outcomes with the least interference in individual's lives.

The hate and envy and complete lack of self doubt are however is a personal choice and has nothing to do with politics.

The Hitler Youth have more in common with Mao's hard-left supporters than any other group. Have a read of, for example, Bitter Winds, an excellent example of what happens when the wealth-hating, victim oriented people, using David Sklansky's logic of righteous and not-righteous wealth, and his morality in saying its ok to steal, get in power. It's a fascinating story regardless of your politics.

I don't hate anyone. Hate and envy are not emotions that appeal to me.

I knew you'd say this because a) you've claimed this before and b) you're a liar.

Have a read of this recent exchange on the subject and enlighten yourself. Sorry bro.

Nazis left or right wing?

Excerpts:

Therefore right wing.[/QUOTE]

It's amazing to me that people like you don't understand how the world works, especially since you have history to look at as a guide. It can mean one of two things - you are stupid, or you can't see you live in a bubble. I would say you are stupid and immoral from reading your posts, but many of your kind is actually not stupid and in a bubble.

What is accepted as mainstream left right now is dangerously close to becoming something truly evil. They run around calling people Nazis and don't even realize they are similar to actual Nazis.

The further left you go the closer you wind up to them. Communists and Nazis were extremely similar, that's why both sides wound up with millions and millions of people dead. It's big state, little citizen government, with the biggest difference being national and international.

We can argue the small differences, but the current left in America is further left on the spectrum than the current right, it's not even close. By definition, that makes the current left more evil.

There will come a time when the right will shift the spectrum too far right, and that will have to be fought against. Right now, though, the people who need to be fought against by rational thinkers are people on the left.

Your people are closer to Nazis than anyone else right now.

Like all socialist movements, it didn't end up what it started out as. The National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazi Party)'s was for years focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist themes. This hateful anti capitalist rhetoric bound people to the state as the solution to problems, and reduced their individuality, and blamed others for their problems. It instilled the mindset of victimhood, righteous revolution against perceived oppressors, and blamed others for the status of the poor, just as the left do now. The parallels are scary. The path to power for fascism is achieved via left wing rhetoric and morality. Libertarianism is the exact opposite of this.

The same thing happened with Mao. He started out with exactly the same rhetoric - anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric. Once in power, he committed ethnic genocide as well, believing in the superiority of the Chinese and killing > 2 million Tibetans and Mongolians. I guess Mao was far right as well?

In reality, the labels are meaningless. What all of these have in common is a) the installation of a victim culture to license revolution b) advocating totalitarianism/socialism to fix "ills" rather than individualism and free choice c) moral licensing of hate, bullying, ostracizing of people who disagree; the creation of the absolute certainty that you're morally right and it's a good thing to hate and cheat and envy "the enemy" because you think they wronged you, or even better some abstract idea like "the worker" or "minorities" d) the installation of the belief that the current system can never work, that revolution is needed, that the individual is powerless and that only the state can right these wrongs through central planning and taking back the "people's" money/factory ownership/living space.

Basically, David's philosophy on wealth disparity with 5ive's/corvette's "righteous" hatred mixed in, and your economics.

It's amazing to me people who do not realize this. It's almost like we need a shocking event to wake everyone up. Juan is correct, we are two generstions from fighting the most evil people in history and we are already embracing the aspects of what made them so evil.

This last generation of parents were awful. They didn't explain to their children what to watch out for. Absolutely amazing.

wil asking for a safe space.

I'm here to debate the future (which is hopefully non-racist) and to rebut false claims. Isn't that what this place is for?

We should teach the past more, and without filters.

It's interesting how these views spread. Even David Sklansky - who's lived the epitome of a selfish less than zero sum life exploiting dumb workers as a gambler, worse than nearly all capitalists (not to criticize at all, just looking at it objectively), and a thinking man, buys into this bull**** now.

It's a fascinating effect. There's a study along those lines that does a good job explaining it via simulation:
I'm not sure how you moderate that, I think it's a basic weakness of how non-crazy/zealous humans can be influenced by the creation of hardcore zealots by memes that create zealotry in a small percentage of people (see the posts above). We're very hackable. Guilt and envy seem to to be the most effective pressure points. If anything technology is going to accelerate this process.