going in the direction of buying rights to be a marketing liason for streamers is not the way i'd want this thread going anyways.

think about the future of monetization and the broadly accessible ways it will be distributed and now envision yourself making a sales pitch to your client, who often doesn't need you at all and most likely is underaged/dumb. seems like a terrible area to find value.

streamers these days are pretty good about using their social media (twitter/instagram/youtube/facebook) so trying to improve margins on that front to capture more ad opportunity requires an expertise in marketing that you'd already need to have proven in other areas. if anything your business proposal is really something that already exists, being captured by people who are really good at internet marketing, so if you want to ask why it isn't as prevalent in video games slash esports then maybe the better question is asking what the trends are with companies advertising in that space. if *anything* maybe the better idea is being the liason for companies that are not currently invested in the space and then being the person that links them to the twitch world, not the other way around.

Abba,

I'm glad you agree. I already covered the part about entertainers when I suggested you should Svengali a streamer.

Could you explain your idea about sending Amazon a cease and desist tho? I know you didn't think any of this through and are kinda ad hoc constructing an argument to save face on the backend, but I need a good laugh.

The ones who are successful are good at using it but there are a lot of people for whom their inability to promote is the missing piece of the puzzle. Or people with some success who could be doing better. Proving value isn't easy if you're just expecting them to give you a piece for your services. If you're willing to effectively buy a piece of their business though it's just a matter of whether you can agree on valuation.

And you're right in it probably already does exist. I've watched a few successful streamers allude to the team of people they have working for them and I'm sure the earlier they got on board the more favorable their cut is.


Ahh, so your legal advice is a reference to a 120 year old book.

I didn't say anything about sending a cease and desist letter (those were your words) - just that amazon would be willing to cooperate if the contract is legally enforceable and still you haven't given any rationale whatsoever for why it wouldn't be.

If you have nothing to say, why do you keep responding?

This I like and can get behind, EXCEPT! BAT is already upcoming.
Why would you limit urself to specific eSports?
I like the idea of combining this stuff creating a one stop platform that will offer all things needed.
But still a hard way to make an easy living

you could make the same argument for the idea attempting to go against the YouTube monolith, since content creators are pretty pissed off at youtube right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOa6PA8XQtQ



i'm all about this basic attention token stuff but it feels like it takes a decade or two for it to actually mean something

like poker royalty for gamers... nice idea.

Clayton,

The bolded part above is the entire field of influencer marketing btw. Like there is literally an entire, well established business that does exactly that. This is also why I think the examples are very amusing.

Abba,

It seems you're just rampantly trolling. Best of luck with your "ideas" and learning some rudimentary basics of the legal field. (Amazon isn't gonna do **** about your "contract".)

Except that even 5 seconds of googling reveals that amazon has a long history of honoring intellectual property rights, has a form to file complaints for suspected infringements and a review process already in place.

And then you look at the twitch site and they have a specific section dedicated to intellectual property right infringements:

https://www.twitch.tv/p/legal/community-guidelines/

news came out today that amazon was looking in the youtube space fwiw

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/09/amaz...y-sources.html

Abba,

I think you should figure out what IP actually is. It seems like you've literally never spoken to a lawyer or consult them on them for specific expertise. I'm sorry that you typed out a bunch of nonsense about edited video and keep insisting that Twitch is gonna pull down their new channel because of your contract. It is and will continue to be absurd.

I've already acknowledged that you can attempt to exploit people unfamiliar with the industry and sign them to entertainment style contracts where people resort to fake rape allegations to get out of contracts. I think the investment was ~60m. I don't even think you'd be able to enforce this sort of contract on the basis that the investor provides virtually nothing. The concept of consideration (you may wanna speak to a lawyer to clarify this) will be taken into account with your silly example of buying a streamer's likeness for $12. Again, you seem to lack basic legal familiarity with the subject. Furthermore, as Clayton and I have pointed out, there is an industry that handles this element. Given the fact that you will need to essentially find and trick people in flagrant violation of industry norms, I can't imagine you could craft a contract that would be enforceable.

But you're trolling so this won't help you. Best of luck with the video splicing contract.

Ahh I see - because some people try to lie and cheat their way out of contracts in the entertainment industry nothing remotely similar can ever work. Thanks for laying out your thought process bro.

No legal consideration! Finally you're throwing down and showing us your legal chops. You're right, that guy grinding it out 6 hours a day with 20 viewers sure would be TRICKED AND EXPLOITED if you managed to get him off the ground so he's making 75% of $200 a day instead of 100% of $5 a day. Svengali!!!!!

The Kesha/Dr. Luke example is interesting for a variety of reasons. It also helps provide context in the costs that are paid by the manager to receive the level of IP protection they have with regards to their client's creative output. For example, if you did literally nothing but make a few tweets and try to claim that you deserve 25% of what is now 10k a day in your example, you'd end up getting laughed out of court and probably berated by the judge. Again, without any specifics or extreme cases it is hard to know if your contract is enforceable. You keep insisting "it must work" without any real examples or expertise which is utterly confusing. You also seem to lack any real knowledge of the ecosystem or basic legal concepts. (IE You were unaware that a non-compete for basically a rip off of your original idea, which isn't protected to begin with, is totally fine and not enforceable contractually no matter what was signed. Then you cite filling out a Twitch form after saying you need a reputable lawyer to send a letter, which I can't imagine what it would contain other than being a cease and desist. But I'm sure it'll just be a cursory note asking how they're doing or whatever backtracking you come up with.)

My overall point is that you don't really understand what you're talking about and trolling at this point. If you have a specific example, it'd be great to explain it and then we could discuss how it would or wouldn't happen. Some of the problems that likely will occur is that you don't know baseline practices in the industry so you're speculating on what is considered "normal" based on reading articles on google about singers/artists/etc and then applying that 1:1 to this case. The other is that you don't really have any coherence to your thoughts. You typed out several things ranging from absurd to exploitative. You've acknowledged the spliced up UGC vids as clearly not appropriate for any of the ridiculous must-be-possible contracts you keep suggesting, so that is progress. The other is trying to sign burgeoning streamers to entertainer style contracts that are significantly more restrictive while being completely unclear about what, if any, value you'd provide. UA? Marketing? Financial support? You keep suggesting stuff "must be possible", and you can certainly sign a contract that dictates anything and use the threat of a lawsuit to get people to do what you want. This happens all the time. It is just scammy/****bag behavior. I guess what you're suggesting is the same as financial planning for the elderly and tricking them into products they never need so you reap a ton of commission?

Youtube is the nut low. At this point, anyone relying on youtube for their main source of income better be looking for new opportunities, very capricious organization.

I've never said it must be possible in all cases. You, however have consistently been saying it isn't possible no matter the details without explaining why.

And is kesha really the best example you could find? I don't know anything about these people, but looking at the wikipedia case and some rando articles it seems like she was forced to honor the contract and has a few more albums to go before she can produce stuff independently.

Please do feel free to bloviate for another few thousand words though.

one of 42392934 sites out there? Which dedicated egaming site has a proper gambling license (not aruba which is ****)? I cant find any that are legit. give me the list please.

I assume someone like pinnacle buying them out is a reasonble exit strategy, but even if not theres no reason the dedicated authetic egaming gambling sites cant co-exist with the big sportsbooks.

abba,

Best of luck. You are the segment Donald appeals to. Unsuccessful, less educated males. Thankfully you aren't USA$1.

Lemme know when you have a real topic to discuss. In lieu of that, I'll leave an open challenge for 50k (USD) on an IQ test. In the US obv, lmk when you exscorw.

Yesterday you were dismissing vitalik buterin as an idiot despite his verified iq of 257 (which left my speechless), now you're looking to stage an international IQ contest because some guy on the internet hurt your feelings.

You made the challenge. You escrow the 50k first to prove you have it, give me some personal info so i can do a bit of research and i'll give it some thought.