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12-06-2021 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Says you, but the statement is absurd. Cool story bro.

You have two individuals, one vaccinated, one not.

Virus replication occurs in both individuals leading to mutations. Why is the vaccinated person likely to have a mutation that leads to human extinction when this absolutely cant happen in the unvaccinated person?
Because it kills the unvaccinated person but survives and is spread by the vaccinated one.

It won't lead to human extinction, but some type of vaccine dependence.
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12-06-2021 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
Because it kills the unvaccinated person but survives and is spread by the vaccinated one.

It won't lead to human extinction, but some type of vaccine dependence.
But this assumes the vaccines dont become useless.

Just a few posts above you said:

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From now on vaccines, even variant specific ones, will do little to stop disease and death, ceteris paribus.
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12-06-2021 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
But this assumes the vaccines dont become useless.

Just a few posts above you said:
Yes, the current vaccines will no longer work. Omicron specific vaccines (when developed) will still work against Omicron lineages, and so on, but then new variants will arise to bypass those, and the next, and on ad infinitum.

The mechanism by which vaccines create more virulent variants is called antibody-dependent enhancement.

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ADE – In this scenario, the antibodies that the vaccine generated actually help the virus infect greater numbers of cells than it would have on its own. In this situation, the antibodies bind to the virus and help it more easily get into cells than it would on its own. The result is often more severe illness than if the person had been unvaccinated. ADE can occur after disease and has on occasion been identified following vaccination, as described below. Any vaccine that has been found to cause ADE has stopped being used or, more recently as described below for dengue vaccine, been recommended only for those who will not be affected by ADE. Evidence of ADE has not emerged for COVID-19 vaccines even though concerns have been raised.
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12-06-2021 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny

The mechanism by which vaccines create more virulent variants is called antibody-dependent enhancement.
From your own source:

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Neither COVID-19 disease nor the new COVID-19 vaccines have shown evidence of causing ADE. People infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have not been likely to develop ADE upon repeat exposure. This is true of other coronaviruses as well. Likewise, studies of vaccines in the laboratory with animals or in the clinical trials in people have not found evidence of ADE.
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12-06-2021 , 04:05 PM
Yep, not yet, thankfully. Didn't say there was evidence of ADE happening. The situation is a dynamic one, though.
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12-06-2021 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
Because it kills the unvaccinated person but survives and is spread by the vaccinated one.
So its better to not vaccinate because we want people to die from more virulent strains and not survive long enough pass them on?
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12-06-2021 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
Yes, the current vaccines will no longer work. Omicron specific vaccines (when developed) will still work against Omicron lineages, and so on, but then new variants will arise to bypass those, and the next, and on ad infinitum.

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Gottlieb is now saying that tweaked vaccines probably aren't going to work.
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From now on vaccines, even variant specific ones, will do little to stop disease and death, ceteris paribus.
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Last edited by O.A.F.K.1.1; 12-06-2021 at 04:19 PM.
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12-06-2021 , 04:21 PM
Now we have gone through this multi page process, your argument has been unpacked as:

Its dumb to vaccinate as it stops vaccines working.
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12-06-2021 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
The mechanism by which vaccines create more virulent variants is called antibody-dependent enhancement.
This is not about vaccines creating more virulent variants - this is about pre-existing immunity to one variant of the virus potentially making the clinical outcome worse against another variant of the virus. This has nothing to do with vaccine vs natural immunity and also has nothing to do with the creation of new variants.
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12-06-2021 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
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If you actually read anything instead of look for semantic mistakes that I didnt make, you wouldn't make posts like this. Of course an omicron specific variant will work against omicron lineages, but now you need TWO vaccines to protect you. The alpha s-protein sublineage that gives some protection against delta and then omicron. But then a new variant comes up and now you need THREE vaccines, and so on. This is getting tiresome explaining the obvious to you.
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12-06-2021 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
If you actually read anything instead of look for semantic mistakes that I didnt make, you wouldn't make posts like this. Of course an omicron specific variant will work against omicron lineages, but now you need TWO vaccines to protect you. The alpha s-protein sublineage that gives some protection against delta and then omicron. But then a new variant comes up and now you need THREE vaccines, and so on. This is getting tiresome explaining the obvious to you.
You need to communicate better in the first instance.

For example I probably would have understood the above much better if you had linked to a German language site behind a paywall.

Instead you made very definitive statements that poorly communicated your perspective.

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From now on vaccines, even variant specific ones, will do little to stop disease and death,
Maybe be its me, but I am pretty sure you are stating here, very clearly, that variant specific vaccines will do little to stop disease and death.

But they will stop these things specifically in relation to the variant they were made for?
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12-06-2021 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
You need to communicate better in the first instance.

For example I probably would have understood the above much better if you had linked to a German language site behind a paywall.

Instead you made very definitive statements that poorly communicated your perspective.



Maybe be its me, but I am pretty sure you are stating here, very clearly, that variant specific vaccines will do little to stop disease and death.

But they will stop these things specifically in relation to the variant they were made for?
I haven't paid extremely close attention to this particular argument but you have a strong track record of not understanding anything and confidently responding in a clueless manner
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12-06-2021 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
You need to communicate better in the first instance.
Or maybe you should stop assuming, like candybar does, that you already both know my argument and the way to respond to it. Take the time, as a conscientious human being, to actually read the citations being given you, educate yourself, and come to the conversation prepared.

This is why people get mad at you and Cuepee and call you trolls. You come to threads with a political axe to grind, assume everything you haven't heard is because of political bias, and then waste 6 pages getting educated on basic concepts you didn't even know you didn't know.
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12-06-2021 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
I haven't paid extremely close attention to this particular argument but you have a strong track record of not understanding anything and confidently responding in a clueless manner
you have a history of commenting without paying attention and knowing what you are talking about and as always here, like in the past you prove it.

The TS alt account is getting embarrassed here.
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12-10-2021 , 07:25 PM
What are we thinking about getting the booster? I am 37 years old and healthy, had two doses with my last 6 months ago. They are pushing this a lot due to the Omicron variant.
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12-10-2021 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Mahone
What are we thinking about getting the booster? I am 37 years old and healthy, had two doses with my last 6 months ago. They are pushing this a lot due to the Omicron variant.
as soon as you can.
And have a different brand.
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12-10-2021 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chytry
as soon as you can.
And have a different brand.
Hi,

I had the AstraZeneca doses and will probably get the Pfizer as a booster.

I was always so pro vaccines but have known a few worrying things. A friend of mine got blood clots after his initial vaccine. Another friend in the US has been in a serious situation in hospital after getting his booster. His body apparently had 15x the toxin levels! He got rhabdomyolysis and apparently you are not meant to exercise at all after having the vaccine. He started doing some cycling I believe around 24 hours after having his.

Most worrying, my sister who lives in Spain messaged me as said (I am reading her exact text) "I already know 2 people whose family members died after the vaccine. Perfectly healthy young people. One was a professional volleyball player".

So after hearing all this, it is weird since stuff like this just does not happen after having say, the flu jab. Or at least not anywhere near the same numbers.

Then the Omicron variant looks very mild, plus I am only 37, fit and healthy. Also, how many times will we continue to take these boosters?
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12-10-2021 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
This is why people get mad at you and Cuepee and call you trolls. You come to threads with a political axe to grind, assume everything you haven't heard is because of political bias, and then waste 6 pages getting educated on basic concepts you didn't even know you didn't know.
Haha Just read this.

Of course this is the absolute inverse of what has happened over the last few pages, not 6 because I am not a noob with my settings.
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12-11-2021 , 02:41 AM
CDC report of first 43 cases of omicron.

COVID-19 vaccination status
Unvaccinated- 8 (19%)
Partially vaccinated- 0 (0%)
Vaccinated- 20 (47%)
Vaccinated plus booster- 14 (33%)
Unknown- 1 (2%)

Hospitalizations- 1 (vaccinated)
Deaths- 0

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...mm7050e1-H.pdf
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12-12-2021 , 12:01 AM
Outstanding video imo.

I think I will start taking 4000 IU of Vit D, along with 40mg of Zinc and 100-200 mcg of Vit K2 a day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9h-XQm2qEY
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12-12-2021 , 11:32 PM
I’m so happy I can come to the economic impact of coronavirus and there’s next to no discussion on the economic impacts of coronavirus. Maybe mods will start modding in 2022?

With that said, my businesses are having huge shortages. Everything from trouble getting appliances to suppliers being out of vending toys. (And everything in between)

Is there any end in sight to this shipping problem? Everything I read says it’s going to last well into 2022….anyone have a differing (or same) opinion? And if so why?
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12-13-2021 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Mahone
Outstanding video imo.

I think I will start taking 4000 IU of Vit D, along with 40mg of Zinc and 100-200 mcg of Vit K2 a day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9h-XQm2qEY
cliffs?
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12-14-2021 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RikaKazak
I’m so happy I can come to the economic impact of coronavirus and there’s next to no discussion on the economic impacts of coronavirus. Maybe mods will start modding in 2022?
I doubt it.
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12-18-2021 , 05:49 PM
lockdowns short term bearish or bullish?
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12-19-2021 , 02:26 PM
NHL basically shutting down. 100% vaccinated and IIRC 17% have tested positive. It's around 10% right now. On top of cancellation a bunch of markets have announced capacity restrictions
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