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03-18-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ddmullet02
Former base/precious metals trader. 15 year lurker of mid-high lhe and more recently BFI. Wish I had found it a long time ago, you guys are great.

Barring any mutations, once a person has been infected, has recovered and is no longer shedding the virus, are they safe to go about their normal business/go back to work? Any risks in that to themselves or others?
There was some evidence that you don't get strong immunity for this thing and can catch it multiple times. I remember reading someone got it 3 times already in Asia? (this was from a few days ago, need newer sources)
03-18-2020 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DWarrior
Mind mentioning what region this is? Thx
Denver. Got a little more information. They mostly service restaurants here so the backup makes sense.
03-18-2020 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DWarrior
If you grew up in the Soviet Union, like "yeah but where's the 5 feet of snow?"
yes, but we didn't need a trolley for one bread and 200 grams of lard.

Instead of eating less, they are gonna get even fatter and their immune system weaker.
03-18-2020 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
Can never tell if you're serious, if serious is there a clip?


12 minutes of the interview here: https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/03/1...struction.html
03-18-2020 , 02:20 PM
Where are they getting those shopping carts that far away from the store? Did employees bring them all out there?
03-18-2020 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez



This is confirmation that NPCs are actually real and we exist in a simulation.
03-18-2020 , 02:40 PM
Lol, not one hustler out there selling corona 2020 shirts, looseys, firecrackers, nothing. Where is that, nebraska?
03-18-2020 , 02:43 PM
t-shirt with Busta rhymes saying Wuhan got you all in check
03-18-2020 , 03:23 PM
https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/202...GFZVaFKLAZiBWY

The New England Journal of Medicine. The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.


Anyone see anything conclusive otherwise?

24 hours on cardboard is good to know. Will give us options on parcels and such. Rest is sort of what I expected, maybe even lower.
03-18-2020 , 03:42 PM
Thoughts on how the government spending and intervention is going to affect inflation in the short term and long term?
03-18-2020 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/202...GFZVaFKLAZiBWY

The New England Journal of Medicine. The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.


Anyone see anything conclusive otherwise?

24 hours on cardboard is good to know. Will give us options on parcels and such. Rest is sort of what I expected, maybe even lower.
Those times dont seem insanely long to you?
03-18-2020 , 03:49 PM
Infectious vs "can still detect RNA" are two different things. Otherwise not far from usual virus times which you'd expect.
03-18-2020 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
Warehouse I'm delivering to ran out of storage space for chicken and eggs. Lot of drivers waiting for space to open up. One driver has been here since Monday. Guards at check-in are frazzled. Took my potatoes and I'm antsy to get out of the city.
tks for this update
03-18-2020 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me
Those times dont seem insanely long to you?
Compared to the 7-10 day stuff we heard a month ago, I'm fist pumping those numbers.
03-18-2020 , 05:17 PM
italy going to surpass china in total cases? in total deaths they surely will, almost 500 just today wtf

usa numbers going to really blow up with testing rapidly expanding. i guess it'll be another weekend to be short
03-18-2020 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
If you lock down hard you can go back to normal life in 4-6 weeks, sooner in less infected areas, with no death.

Won't work. Death rates are too high. Hospitalization-required rates are WAY too high, they quickly overwhelm and the death rate soars. These are the numbers assuming a 0.9% case fatality rate, from despacito's link above:



You can multiple those death rates by 5 without hospital treatment (once hospitals overflow, which happens at a tiny percentage infected).

This isn't just the old. Look at the hospitalization-required rate for 30 and 40 year olds. That overwhelms in no time.
Are we sure that this is good data considering the fact that many people who have the virus are't getting testing due to being asymptomatic and that most countries have been so overwhelmded by the virus that testing has not been widespread enough? Seems like South Korea is the only country that did the proper amount of testing.

How much can we really infer from such shakey data?
03-18-2020 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinkmann
italy going to surpass china in total cases? in total deaths they surely will, almost 500 just today wtf

usa numbers going to really blow up with testing rapidly expanding. i guess it'll be another weekend to be short
Unfortunately, deaths in the U.S. are doubling every two days now, I was hoping it was going to stay a 4 day doubling time, but never mind, right behind ya Italy!
03-18-2020 , 06:16 PM
Questions i have

Vaccindeveloping vaccin consists of finding potential vaccine, testing it, massproducing? What are the time-lines for each step? is finding a vaccine guaranteed or is it random? The testing phase could be shortcutted i assume.

Lockdown How exactly do you pull this off? I understand that the basic idea is to divide everything in small zones, isolate completely, test aggresively, quarantine everyone that shows symptoms. However, how sensitive is this approach too people complying? If there is some essential travel between zones, some people breaking the law. What about cases where a family of ten lives together, they are all asymptotic and showly spreading it too eachother. If you just miss a couple of cases like this, then when you relax rules you are fcked. And whats the timeline for when testing can be scaled up? How many test/day do you need per citizin to pull it off. The epidomology team advising the dutch PM seems convinced it can not be done, need a good narrative to change their minds.

There seems to be alot of confusion atm, its very unclear to me what Euro countries are planning, is there any country that actually wants to kill the virus? or is everyone just in denial and using temporary lockdowns in order to delay the healthcare overflow. 1. keep current restrictions in place untill vaccin. try to contol the r0 such that no healthcare overflow . 2. Accept deaths and healthcare overflow. 3 try the total lockdown+containment 4. Do 1 for a bit and try to get more data first and maybe switch to 3 later if you think you can pull it off. Other options?
03-18-2020 , 06:19 PM
Who was it before who laughed at me for asking if they could shut down floor trading because of this?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ne...?mod=home-page

The NYSE equities trading floor in New York, the NYSE options trading floor in New York, and the NYSE Arca Options trading floor in San Francisco are to close
03-18-2020 , 06:35 PM
This thing will end when all the people who are going to die from it die. THIS IS HOW NATURE WORKS. The strong survive. It's part of evolution.

I don't know how long it will be until the world realizes you can't go shutting down the world trying to save the weak forever.

If they get things under control with quarantine, the minute things go back to normal, the same **** is going to happen. This is why it's inevitable the weak will just have to die or quarantine themselves forever.
03-18-2020 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
the minute things go back to normal, the same **** is going to happen
there wont be 'normal' for a long while.

lockdowns can be eased and your gym/office can reopen, but 100% back to normal w/ full scale international travel wont happen until a vaccine is mass produced or containment at manageable levels is possible.
03-18-2020 , 06:53 PM
this is another question i have. If you just let everyone die, and tell them: Srry, we are not even going to try to help you, if you have corona, you are on your own. What would be the direct economic implications from this and it is obvious that there is higher tail risk in this scenario than in the current situation?
03-18-2020 , 06:58 PM
You might see some countries not have a choice, and see huge political changes as a result.
03-18-2020 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
This thing will end when all the people who are going to die from it die. THIS IS HOW NATURE WORKS. The strong survive. It's part of evolution.

I don't know how long it will be until the world realizes you can't go shutting down the world trying to save the weak forever.

If they get things under control with quarantine, the minute things go back to normal, the same **** is going to happen. This is why it's inevitable the weak will just have to die or quarantine themselves forever.
So basically, viruses act like a dog breeder within a species?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETbScUsX...pg&name=medium
03-18-2020 , 07:15 PM
Any insight into Washington staying afloat?


      
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