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Old Yesterday, 09:38 PM   #19726
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This pretty much nail my thoughts on vaccine mandates

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Old Yesterday, 09:45 PM   #19727
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This pretty much nail my thoughts on vaccine mandates

Because you hold these beliefs:

-prior infection stands for nothing.
-there are not bizarre side effects we have no answer for (there are many but take myocarditis in young healthy boys). And that also has 0 effect on the people who know them (i.e the people Joe Rogan's friends with who had strokes and heart attacks right after the vaccine (in the Gupta podcast)).
-it's irrelevant covid IFR ranges from like 1/8 to 1/1,000,000.

So you have 0 empathy for people who do not want the vaccine for any reason whatsoever they might have.

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Practically, about 150 people had to be let go out of over 26,000 when a large hospital system in Texas mandated them. Not sure how many were nurses vs administrative etc. But I think many large hospital systems will come to the conclusion that it’s worth it for patient safety.
Sir can you give us your updated Bayes output for Covid origins?

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Old Yesterday, 09:55 PM   #19728
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I believe he is allowed to fly back to his country of citizenship without the vaccine?


Brazil went the India route -> Massive burn through followed by case drop offs.
Yes I looked into it for him bc it sounded odd. As a Canadian he can fly back without a vaccine but beginning December he can't get on a plane out of Canada without one
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Old Yesterday, 11:07 PM   #19729
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Yes I looked into it for him bc it sounded odd. As a Canadian he can fly back without a vaccine but beginning December he can't get on a plane out of Canada without one
I guess Canada doesn't recognize Sinovac? I think it's basically sugar water so seems like a great anti vaxxer choice to get around the mandates minus that whole CCP thing.
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Old Yesterday, 11:09 PM   #19730
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Thailand makes a ton. Price has been in the shi**er for about a decade now. Would be nice to see it go up again.
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Old Today, 02:47 AM   #19731
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Because you hold these beliefs:

-prior infection stands for nothing. - No, but then not everyone quitting has had prior infections, lets not pretend this is solely an argument about prior infections
-there are not bizarre side effects we have no answer for (there are many but take myocarditis in young healthy boys)Which has accounted for zero or close to zero deaths I believe? (Not certain on USA stats which can be warped depending where you look), as opposed to the deaths that have been caused by Covid? Yeah, this is a non argument.. And that also has 0 effect on the people who know them (i.e the people Joe Rogan's friends with who had strokes and heart attacks right after the vaccine (in the Gupta podcast)) No idea what this is referring too but sounds like some anecdotel evidence? If yes, that's pointless, if not I would genuinely appreciate filling me in on the details.
-it's irrelevant covid IFR ranges from like 1/8 to 1/1,000,000. I mean, the only relevance is whether the benefits outweigh the negatives, which on a broad scale I, as well as the majority of people, believe to be true.

So you have 0 empathy for people who do not want the vaccine for any reason whatsoever they might have. - Not at all but you're assuming everyone has legitimate reasons, rather than the mostly bat ****, banal reasons that the majority have given? There are of course nuances and those I have some sympathy for. But for the majority, particularly the nurses and science teachers? No.

To throw your style of questioning back on you, you think a nurse refusing the vaccine is fine because it's full of microchips and 5g aids? Obviously not, since that is bollocks. There's nuance to everything, I'm not trying to convince you to agree with my viewpoint, it is what it is, we differ on opinions.


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Old Today, 04:33 AM   #19732
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So you have 0 empathy for people who do not want the vaccine for any reason whatsoever they might have.


LOL, the uneducated covidiot antivaxxer who has 0 empathy for pro vax people tries to shame others for having 0 empathy with worthless antivaxx covidiots.

Priceless.

Seek help, sir, you have a severe mental illness that needs immediate treatment.
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Old Today, 05:23 AM   #19733
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This is not to start a discussion on Trump or whatever, I just want to highlight that this legendary conference (at least to me it was legendary) now has officially aged poorly.





Back then the worst affected countries in the world were sitting close to 500 death per million, now the world is sitting over that number (>600) and we have multiple countries in the >3000s and a ton in the >1500s.

I know the data is of limited value given differences in reporting tactics, but I still find it very interesting
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Old Today, 05:35 AM   #19734
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Also does someone have some good information regarding what is happening in Eastern Europe? A lot of countries are rising very fast and already sitting at >10 deaths per million per day now, numbers not seen anywhere else in the world for a while now (=meaning rising rapidly and at a very high level of deaths already).

Bulgaria, Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Lithuania, Romania are all at >10 deaths per million per day and rising rapidly. Especially Romania is suffering a massive spike and sitting at 16 deaths per million per day.
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Old Today, 05:38 AM   #19735
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I agree with both of this in theory.

However practically you run into the situation where:

1) Thousands of them are not vaccinated and are willing to be fired.
2) You have a nursing shortage already.
3) It feels bad to shaft the front line medical workers that bore the brunt of the danger.

Do you still fire them?

Practically speaking, the only decision you have is just to play chicken with as many of them as possible and then manage the covid situation. Firing people en masse doesn't get the remainers to vaccinate.
where I live, its a small percentage of health care workings (I believe less than 5%) and at the same time they are starting to give 10-20k bonuses to nurses for all their hard work over the past 20 months. Unvaccinated wont qualify of course. Carrot+stick.
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