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Old 09-16-2021, 10:25 PM   #18976
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How many low risk un-vaxxed are taking up the beds? The problem is people are being categorized as one big group. So they are trying to force the vax on everyone including kids before long to "free up hospital beds".

And how many of those people who need the beds have heart disease? You know, the thing that has been killing more then covid for many years but nobody gives a **** about it. I have a 1 in 4 chance, actually probably higher of dying from heart disease and why hasn't the government cared so much about me before and forced me to eat better and outlawed **** food? Instead they want to force me to "fix" something that I have a 1 in 50,000 chance to die from.

I'm much better off watching my cholesterol then I am getting the vax. Like RIDICULOUSLY much better off. Yet they focus on the vax.
So in your mind a covid virus is simply impossible to be dangerous ?
What does it take ?
You think those red neck in Alberta like to have been wrong to promote the anti vaxxer modo ?

Im actually surprise prime minister Kenney for once admitted he was wrong …..
If there is one place Trump would have a chance to win in Canada it would definitely be In Alberta .
Just so you know before in what kind of province you implying it is not real and they play with the numbers ….
They hate anything that is liberal over there or leftish .
It’s pro oil , anti tax , pro religion , pro life , anti government, anti climate changes etc …

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Old 09-16-2021, 10:36 PM   #18977
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So in your mind a covid virus is simply impossible to be dangerous ?
What does it take ?
You think those red neck in Alberta like to have been wrong to promote the anti vaxxer modo ?

Im actually surprise prime minister Kenney for once admitted he was wrong …..
If there is one place Trump would have a chance to win in Canada it would definitely be In Alberta .
Just so you know before in what kind of province you implying it is not real and they play with the numbers ….
They hate anything that is liberal over there or leftish .
I think it's dangerous to high risk people. So if your going to force the vax on people which I don't agree with, FFS don't force it on low risk people. Having had covid has proven to be the best immunity even more so then the vax and they still want to vax those people. When you see them using logic like that, you can pretty much discredit anything that comes out their ****ing mouths.

It's their own fault for having so much doubt towards them.
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Old 09-16-2021, 10:43 PM   #18978
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I think it's dangerous to high risk people. So if your going to force the vax on people which I don't agree with, FFS don't force it on low risk people. Having had covid has proven to be the best immunity even more so then the vax and they still want to vax those people. When you see them using logic like that, you can pretty much discredit anything that comes out their ****ing mouths.

It's their own fault for having so much doubt towards them.
I do not know where you got that idea ?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8120176/c...ugust-17-2021/

« “Alberta is not considering mandatory vaccine mandates at this time,” Alberta Health spokesperson Lisa Glover said ».

That was less then 1 month ago .
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Old 09-17-2021, 12:01 AM   #18979
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It's not a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It never was.

It's a pandemic of the obese and elderly.

This guy gets it.

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COVID a killer for the obese: ‘Like pouring gasoline on top of a fire
Chicago churches, particularly in the Black community, have targeted obesity — which contributes to heart disease, diabetes and high blood pressure — and poses a higher risk of lethal complications from COVID-19.

After old age, underlying health conditions often spurred by being overweight or obese contribute the most to complications and death in COVID patients, U.S. health officials say. Obesity can triple the risk of being hospitalized with COVID and the risk of death rises with higher measures of body fat. The reasons range from poor lung function to suppressed immune systems from related health conditions, such as heart disease and diabetes.
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Old 09-17-2021, 12:34 AM   #18980
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Obese people will always get a higher probabilities to have complication than a normal person for any sickness .

Why does this have to be something special for Covid in particular ?
No idea ..

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/causes.html

« Obesity is serious because it is associated with poorer mental health outcomes and reduced quality of life. Obesity is also associated with the leading causes of death in the United States and worldwide, including diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and some types of cancer ».

Regardless of covid .
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Old 09-17-2021, 01:07 AM   #18981
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Well, if you had a clue (which you obviously haven't) you might realize that obese people have compromised immune systems mainly due to severe vitamin D deficiency.

Severe vitamin D deficiency is the highest risk factor for covid by far.
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Old 09-17-2021, 02:50 AM   #18982
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Again, the argumentation used is wrong.

If catching COVID just meant that if you're fat there's a big chance you die quickly, and otherwise it's like having a cold, COVID would not be an issue.

The issue is (1) the amount of people dying of it that are old or have health complications, (2) its ability to kill young and healthy occassionally and (3) its ability to absolutely overload even the best of healthcare systems.

(1) is solved by vaccinating the old and weak, agreed. We can further protect them by vaccinating everyone. But maybe hard to make it mandatory to get vaccinated for that reason.
(2) is solved by vaccinating everyone. But maybe hard to make it mandatory to get vaccinated for that reason.
(3) hospitals right now are filled with unvaccinated people now. And this is when things look best with vaccines being freshly administered in the old & weak. Even if all the unvaccinated magically survive their time at the hospital (they aren't, death in USA f.e. is very high right now), as long as hospitals & ICUs remain filled, we wont be going back to normal. Getting vaccinated is doing your part so the world can go back to normal. If everyone acted like the anti-vaxers, delta would have probably collapsed healthcare in many nations now, and would have stressed health care supply chains to its absolute maximum.

If you agree with (3) and are not getting vaccinated, I don't understand how you tell yourself it's ok not to take the vaccine.
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Old 09-17-2021, 04:16 AM   #18983
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Getting vaccinated is doing your part so the world can go back to normal.
That's complete BS. I'm vaccinated, so why isn't the world back to normal yet? They keep moving the goalposts. "Two weeks to flatten the curve", "herd immunity", now "mandatory vaccinations". It's never going to go back to normal. Our governments will continue to use the pandemic to seize as much power and money as they can while lying to us. Corporate media will continue to sow division and lie to us. Welcome to the new normal.
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Old 09-17-2021, 04:39 AM   #18984
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That's complete BS. I'm vaccinated, so why isn't the world back to normal yet? They keep moving the goalposts. .
I dont ever remember the goal post being, just vaccinate Simple Rick and it will all be over.
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Old 09-17-2021, 05:00 AM   #18985
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Well, if you had a clue (which you obviously haven't) you might realize that obese people have compromised immune systems mainly due to severe vitamin D deficiency.

Severe vitamin D deficiency is the highest risk factor for covid by far.
Lol ?
Unless you implying lack of vitamins D will make u fat,
Im thinking , meh , being fat or not , weak immune system will lack vitamin D ….

But hey it sounded cool.

Obesity is one of the major cause of death for a reason for multiple illness .
they lack a lot of $h!t , not just vitamin D.
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Old 09-17-2021, 05:40 AM   #18986
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You aren't related to Cuepee by any chance are you?
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Old 09-17-2021, 06:01 AM   #18987
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That's complete BS. I'm vaccinated, so why isn't the world back to normal yet? They keep moving the goalposts. "Two weeks to flatten the curve", "herd immunity", now "mandatory vaccinations". It's never going to go back to normal. Our governments will continue to use the pandemic to seize as much power and money as they can while lying to us. Corporate media will continue to sow division and lie to us. Welcome to the new normal.
Everywhere in the world where there has been a lot of vaccination, >90% of people in hospitals are unvaccinated. Doesn't that make it obvious?

Also, people need to stop all this **** with the goalposts. This is not a static crisis, it's dynamic. Saying that experts said something that is no longer true 1 year ago and acting like that is the "proof that this crisis is being used to control us and seize power and money" is like saying a military expert is full of **** because his analysis on the evolution of conflicts in the Middle East he made on 01/01/2001 ended up being completely wrong.

All the variants ****ed us, the larger anti-vax movement than expected ****ed us, the vaccine protection being less strong than expected (against variants) ****ed us,...
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Old 09-17-2021, 06:55 AM   #18988
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Everywhere in the world where there has been a lot of vaccination, >90% of people in hospitals are unvaccinated.
This is a completely false statement.
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Old 09-17-2021, 07:00 AM   #18989
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Well, if you had a clue (which you obviously haven't) you might realize that obese people have compromised immune systems mainly due to severe vitamin D deficiency.
Obese people have compromised immune systems for a large number of reasons related to their obesity, not mainly (or at all) Vitamin D.

Obesity fundamentally alters the way the immune system works in multiple ways, and a poor immune system is most of the preventable cause of heart disease, cancer and other illnesses.
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Old 09-17-2021, 07:29 AM   #18990
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I have unsuccessfully looked for unvaccinated hospitalization and death percentages by age group for delta. Can someone assist or point me in right direction? TIA
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Old 09-17-2021, 08:02 AM   #18991
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Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning

the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...eading/620062/

It is interesting because this piece comes from The Atlantic, left wing fear-mongering media.
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Old 09-17-2021, 08:26 AM   #18992
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Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning

the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...eading/620062/

It is interesting because this piece comes from The Atlantic, left wing fear-mongering media.
Additionally, at least in New York, there is a mandate that hospitals can't release a patient until they have a negative PCR test. It doesn't matter why they went to the hospital or if they have symptoms or not (or if beds are needed for other patients), if someone tests positive at the hospital they are forced to stay there until they test negative. Some patients are forced to stay for 2 months!
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…Our local troll dolt has been spamming this for weeks as if he wasn't the worlds most obvious useful idiot mimicking the trending nonsense on social media etc
Let’s see who raises their hand

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do you disagree for what alberta is doing now ?
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Especially when its not accurate.

But you know, racist gonna racist.

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Old 09-17-2021, 09:24 AM   #18994
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How many low risk un-vaxxed are taking up the beds? The problem is people are being categorized as one big group. So they are trying to force the vax on everyone including kids before long to "free up hospital beds".

And how many of those people who need the beds have heart disease? You know, the thing that has been killing more then covid for many years but nobody gives a **** about it. I have a 1 in 4 chance, actually probably higher of dying from heart disease and why hasn't the government cared so much about me before and forced me to eat better and outlawed **** food? Instead they want to force me to "fix" something that I have a 1 in 50,000 chance to die from.

I'm much better off watching my cholesterol then I am getting the vax. Like RIDICULOUSLY much better off. Yet they focus on the vax.
The "PROBLEM" is you ignore this crystal clear correlation that is happening all across the USA and now in Canada.

Regardless of any of the questions you ask it is clear that 'the more Muh Freedums' Derps you have in an area the more this problem happens and the more collateral deaths you end up with as a result.

Reduce the number of Freedum Derps and you reduce the number of collateral deaths. FACT.


You then go into the worst and most stupid of Freedum Derp defense arguments trying to say 'ok sure those collateral deaths are happening but if they just got fit and ate better it would save more lives'.

It is such an astoundingly stupid argument and if you do not understand why no amount of explaining it to you will help. You simply would not be smart enough to grasp the obvious failure of your argument.
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Old 09-17-2021, 09:35 AM   #18995
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Additionally, at least in New York, there is a mandate that hospitals can't release a patient until they have a negative PCR test. It doesn't matter why they went to the hospital or if they have symptoms or not (or if beds are needed for other patients), if someone tests positive at the hospital they are forced to stay there until they test negative. Some patients are forced to stay for 2 months!
Ahaha what? This is satire right?
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Old 09-17-2021, 10:02 AM   #18996
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Ahaha what? This is satire right?

My original source was https://www.news10.com/top-stories/a...l-whole-story/

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“As long as the patients remain positive by the PCR test, they have to remain in the hospital. They don’t want to be in the hospital. We would like to be able to discharge them but we can’t,” Metzger said.
Looking into it a bit more, I may of found a better source... I think this only applies when discharging to a nursing home or adult care facility. https://health.ny.gov/professionals/...ed_testing.pdf

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No hospital shall discharge a patient who has been diagnosed with COVID-19 to a NH or ACF, until that patient has received one negative test result using such testing method.
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Old 09-17-2021, 10:25 AM   #18997
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Is this wrong?

One Province turning down help to another to take in, what will inevitably be a preponderance of Muh Freedum derps to their ICU beds and thus denying that care to others in their Province?

Take this to the extreme and ask if one Province (State) full of Derps should be allowed to over flow facilities in many neighbouring Provinces (States) while all the others can do is take them in and suffer the fall out??

Who would agree with that?


Howard Stern takes a much more radical view thinking the Derps should just stay home and die at home secure in their Freedums and convictions.

Thoughts?

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...He added, “We have no time for idiots in this country anymore. We don’t want you… stay home, die there with your COVID. Don’t take the cure, but don’t clog up our hospitals with your COVID when you finally get it. Stay home, don’t bother with science, it’s too late.”

Five radio talk show hosts who had urged listeners not to get the COVID-19 vaccine have died in the past six weeks after contracting the coronavirus.

The most recent was Bob Enyart, 62, a Denver radio host and pastor who died earlier this week after he and his wife were hospitalized with severe cases of COVID-19.

Marc Bernier, 65, was a Florida talk show host who called himself “Mr. Anti-Vax.” In his final tweet in July, Bernier, who died August 27, 2021, compared the U.S. government to Nazis because it was recommending that all people get vaccinated.

On August 11, Tod Tucker, a pro-Trump radio programmer, died “following the onset of viral pneumonia as the result of COVID-19,” according to his employer. Tucker had written on Facebook in March: “Please stop bragging that you got your COVID vaccine. What do you want us to say? ‘Congratulations lab rat?!’”

Jimmy DeYoung, 81, was a Chattanooga-based host who published an interview promoting conspiracy theories that the Pfizer vaccine would make women sterile and said that world governments were using the vaccine to control people. He was hospitalized with COVID-19 on August 8 and died August 15, 2021.

On August 4, Newsmax fill-in host Dick Farrel died of “severe damage” from COVID-19. He previously referred to the pandemic as a “SCAMDEMIC” and wrote in a July 3 Facebook post: “Why take a vax promoted by people who lied all along about masks, where the virus came from and the death toll?” Just before he died, one of his close friends, Amy Falardeau, claimed he encouraged her to get the shot, saying COVID-19 “is no joke and then he said: ‘I wish I had gotten [vaccinated]!’”

Phil Valentine, 61, was a Nashville talk show host who recorded a parody song, “Vaxman,” that mocked the vaccine. Last December he claimed on air that he believed his personal odds of dying from COVID-19 were “probably way less than one percent.” He died August 21, 2021 after spending one month in the hospital fighting for his life. His family released a statement asking people to: “PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!”

(inb4 Derps focus solely on the word "cure" when it should have been 'mitigation', while they miss the point of what he was saying)
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Old 09-17-2021, 10:40 AM   #18998
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Everywhere in the world where there has been a lot of vaccination, >90% of people in hospitals are unvaccinated. Doesn't that make it obvious?
Okay you are soo insanely far off that it isn't even funny anymore. Why do you make these statements? What is wrong with you? Like I literally posted a link to data on this yesterday, seems like nobody is even looking. All you guys are interested in is discussing political views and antivax vs pro-vax. Jfc.

Because you are too lazy to click a link to actual, real world data from a western country that has in the relevant age category a vaccination rate of > 90%, I will here post the screenshot. Especially for you:

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Old 09-17-2021, 10:45 AM   #18999
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1. All the variants ****ed us, 2. the larger anti-vax movement than expected ****ed us, 3. the vaccine protection being less strong than expected (against variants) ****ed us,...
1. and 3. was correctly predicted by your so called antivaxxers back in 2020 february-march when first talks about vaccines came which obviously led to 2.

so the question arises 1. either scientists who created vaccines are dumber than antivaxxers or 2. they knew it and did it anyway cause ... money?
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Old 09-17-2021, 11:07 AM   #19000
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From AHS website:

Chance of getting hospitalized if you catch covid in 30-39 age group: 2.2%
Chance of going to ICU: 0.3% or 3 in 1000
Chance of dying: 0.03% or 3 in 10000

That's if you catch covid. Now divide the chances by at least a factor of 2 (conservative) to take into account for all the cases that weren't reported. And then adjust based on your health/BMI. Most of the hospitalized have high BMI/are unhealthy. The situation is no different in any other jurisdiction.

You can spout all the arrogant vitriol you want. The numbers don't lie. The odds of getting covid and dying under the age of 50 are about the chances of getting struck by lightning. Totally worth ruining mental health, our economy, and destroying everyone's rights....
155% ICU occupancy in Alberta now, sounds like if everyone was a little more about the greater good we could save a lot more lives and keep hospital beds open for the rest of the population for other matters.

As far as the obese claims, how much of the USA is obese? Between olds and obese you must be looking at way over 50% of the country. This isn't some tiny fringe part of the population. And in that I've not including any of the other comorbidities.

The jab is no big deal, whatever "being struck by lightning" odds are even smaller when it comes to adverse effects from the jab.

As the older Lebowski said, "condolences, the bums lost!"

Antivax bums that is.



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