There is still a mandate to get the vaccine.

I lived in ID for 7 years recently. Nice, but when the HS science teacher was teaching Creationism as The Truth...... ya just gotta wonder just how far backward a state can be.

#defundthecdc

As a Creationist myself, I am glad to see that not all teachers have caved in to the Mob of Pea Brains that control our "education" system.

Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously. -- G. K. Chesterton

Just noting that testing doesn’t cover all the infections/reinfections. The numbers published in the article IMO should be weighed against the fact we don’t know how many have actually been infected.

So from what I read, Colin Powell got his second Pfizer shot in February. Which, given his age and the length of time, means he should have been eligible for a booster as soon as they were authorized in late September.

I don't know when he actually caught Covid but there's a pretty good chance that a booster could have extended his life. Given that they only became available in the US in the last couple of weeks, maybe he just never got around to it before he got sick.

Another example of why the slow-moving FDA is costing lives. Israel has been giving out boosters since late July. Had the FDA approved boosters at +5 months back in July or Aug, Powell (and many others) might still be alive.

Your posts are consistently amazing

"maybe..."

"might..."

"pretty good chance..."

"could have..."

You do more hedging than my landscaper.

I am considered a government contractor and it was mandated by our company that if we aren't fully vaccinated by early December there is a chance we will be terminated.

Thats pretty heavy for me tbh. I'm not anti-vax or don't think there is any conspiracy, but I do believe that I had developed a natural immunity. Covid was a known risk, and the shot wasn't. I looked at my specific situation and felt the vaccine wasn't necessary. My choice was taken away from me.

People seem to be associating this covid shot with something like measles, or polio. This isn't even similar. Flu shots aren't required and Covid is the new flu.

You might have develop an immunity to covid 19 or delta , doesn’t mean you will have one if it branches again ….

Not sure the vaccine will protect against a new variant either.

Efficacy test have shown a dramatic decrease in %s as time has gone on

True .
But as we saw , having a very efficient vaccine ( COVID-19 ) do seem to help a lot ( preventing hospitalization for example ) on future branching (delta) .
After 3-4 branching probably it will need a entirely new vaccine but it still be probably far better than to have none , hoping immunity from covid 19 will work on other branching .

I wouldn’t take that bet but do as you please .

There are two certainties about COVID and the vaccine (in my opinion):

1. COVID is yet another excuse for Big Government Elitists to wield more power against ordinary folks.

2. COVID vaccines are yet another way for BigPharma to make billions and billions of dollars.

Since this is the BFI Forum, one of the big takeaway's for me is that i need to invest in a business in which the utilization of their products/services is compulsory.

Eh, I got the vaccine because they told use we might be fired and I like my job. I can't really do as I please in the situation which is what is off-putting. Even if I was vaccinated when the announcement came out, I would feel a bit of unease at the current situation.

Yeah sorry to hear u being stuck in that kind of situation .
But Everything will be fine .

Fwiw i think it’s the era we live in from the past 20-25 years .
Everyone is scared of evrything now .
Second hand smoke .
Helmet for cycling
Camera everywhere . Even on like cops in case a risk of 1% happens , or at work etc.
Being monitored on the internet/phone non stop on (nsa,etc) .
Radar on the road .
I guess the vaccine is just one more step forward .

Well I am not gonna say that he would 100% be alive if he got the booster. But given his age, and his underlying condition (both of which lessened his immune response to the first 2 doses), the booster probably would have saved his life.

Oh look I said probably again, another gotcha for you.

Moderna was making big profits off the vaccine before any mandates were in place. Most people like the idea of not getting Covid, so if your company creates a safe and effective vaccine that prevents it, you will likely make some nice returns. So yeah I agree Moderna and Pfizer were both solid buys as soon as their preliminary trial data was released.

Given that the vaccines look like they start wearing off after around 6 months, what are the general thoughts of healthy younger(ish) people getting a booster?

Moderna was. Pfizer wasn't. MRNA up 350%; PFE up 25%, which is a slightly worse return than the spx over that time frame. (This may be somewhat wrong because I think PFE spun off Viatris during that time, but I guess according to lagtight I'm a hedging loser for even mentioning that a statement I made could have more to it or be subject to probability and uncertainty.)

I guess you missed the at the end of my first post to revots33.

I thought that it was funny that there were so many "hedgewords" in a relatively short post.

Having said that, I'm certainly open to the possibility that you are are hedging loser!

n.b. Please don't miss the smiley this time.

What are your opinions on how bad things will get in winter?

from https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/19/the-...heres-why.html

ToothSayer what is your analysis?

It should also be pointed out that deaths, hospitalizations, and ICU numbers are a overwhelming lower than they were at the peaks last year.

Toothsayer escaped from here almost two weeks ago. (His most recent post was 9 October.)