I agree, they have it all screwed up. But just because I think I shouldn't be mandated because I'm low risk, doesn't give me the right to think someone else who's high risk should be mandated.

The only sensible thing to do is require people to sign away hospital treatment if they don't want to obey with the mandate. Honestly I think that might actually scare some people into getting vaccinated.

It seems insane to think you would just let someone sit there and die because they signed a paper, but it's no more insane then forcing them to take something they don't want. It's insane to not let them make the decision about themselves.

It's insane to morph something that kills 80+ year olds into the ****ing mess we are in now. Any low risk person that are spreading all this **** is part of the problem. If the world had less Karens, everything would be fine. "We are all dying!!!!"

Went to a college football game last weekend. The requirement was you had to put your mask on while you walked through the entrance, and then you could take it right back off. If that and that alone doesn't show you how insane this is, then nothing will. Oh, and my kids have to wear a mask in a class of 30 while the 100k people cram packed in the stadium screaming are fine.

Like I said, all you ****s that have supported this inanity are part of the problem.

It's not herd immunity they are working for, it's herd mentality. LMAO at herd immunity for a treatment like this. What I've come to love about this whole thing is that humanity has stuck up for itself more then I ever thought it would. The question is will they manage to be able to continue to do so or will it inevitably be everyone gets the jab.

My prediction is that as time goes by and everyone sees how ineffective or useless the vaccine is on low risk people, the tides will start to turn in the sane direction. The sheep will start to wake up. I don't know if they will admit they were ever wrong and caused everyone a **** ton of chaos for nothing.

+1

What is the price to lurk in your private chat room? I promise not to troll.

Because people can freeload off their families/don't really need to work to afford food, and wives can actually afford to be stay-at-home mothers, and that all became really obvious during covid.

Also, social media and video games have become so addictive that it's like we have a nation of drug addicts who would rather stay high than work some boring job.

Yeah, we know.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Now the question is, how do we get TS back?

He's prolly gone for good. Trolls get on his nerves too much. Too bad.

Getting people to sign away hospital treatment is a line too far.

Too many stupid people will do it and end up dying. The optics of having someone not being able to breathe in front of a hospital and being denied entry is not something we should accept honestly as society.


Covid is here forever until we get enough natural infections. A friend of mine is under 30 and got double vaccinated, caught covid and had symptoms for 3 days.

That's probably 7 days he could have spent infecting others and he's vaccinated. He only went and got tested because he had to travel. So how many other doubly vaccinated people with covid don't bother getting tested and spreading.

It's endemic now. Will never end.

I think also a lot of people realized you can mostly stay home and not spend much money and it's OK. Eating out all the time, exotic travel, expensive hobbies, not nearly as necessary as many thought. A lot of older workers who thought they needed to keep working to live a comfortable retirement, are basically saying eff it, simple pleasures, I'm done with this bull****.

I understand where your coming from. But, we should not accept choice on if we want the treatment? We should just force jab people? How as a society can we accept that?

If we don't have enough room for unvaxxed covid patients, it doesn't seem unfair at all to give them an ultimatum. And like I said before, could even be a driving force for many more people to get vaxxed.

It's far more insane, untested, novel, legally dubious etc. Requiring vaccination to participate in certain things has a multi decade track record and has held up in court.

This is the growing position in the Derpasphere.

So how do you propose we handle it?








We cannot just treat covid as a one off.

You need a consistent approach if you are to get society buy in.

Seems like madness to me to allow Derps to re-introduce long controlled deadly diseases back in, in the name of freedums.

Diphtheria
•Tetanus
•Pertussis
•Polio
•Measles
•Mumps
•Rubella
•Hepatitis B
•Chicken Pox
•Meningococcal


How many of these are mRNA injections?

Rep. Jim Jordan
@Jim_Jordan
Ohio should ban all vaccine mandates.

We should not allow people to choose whether they want to drop dead on the floor or not. Which is what I assume allowing them to opt in or out of receiving medical care is.

Force jab people? No.

We massage the situation in Hospitals as much as we can.

onemoretimes

Look at people like Kyrie Irving.

He stands to lose $33M this year because he simply won't get vaccinated. Threatening the remaining non vaxxers with punishment will only make them dig in more.

We've done the most that we can. Driving the line between people won't accomplish anything more.

Quebec threatened to fire all medical workers unless they were vaccinated by Oct 15. Thousands of them were still unvaccinated by Oct 13. The government blinked and extended that order another 30 days.

They are dug in.

Over 90% of the NBA is vaccinated...

So you agree that the covid mRNA injections are not vaccines?

That's a big part of the problem. Calling this temporary treatment a vaccine and comparing it to all the other real vaccines like they are the same thing.

Yeah...they are going to far.

Yeah I agree, of all the problems going on semantics is my number 1 too.

Stop it with this nonsense.

I don't agree with such garbage but how does that help your argument even if true.

Jim Jordan and the wacky right are now starting this push to not take any vaccines. Are you on board that yet?

I think it's 95% now.

My point is the remainers are dug in and forcing anything more at this point doesn't accomplish much.

Well sure. Nobody is saying they have a legal way to get to 100% vaccinated in the US. Work/travel etc requirements is the furthest anybody reasonable is suggesting. Obviously no hospital is going to refuse to treat somebody begging for help because of a document they signed months ago that has never been tested in court as a valid reason to just let someone die. And I doubr even that would get us to 95% of people eligible taking it.

And no one should force them. The 5% can make their choice.

But the employer does not need to cater to the 5%. Also no one should force them to.

Free choice, free association for both. The most anti-fascist position possible.

This used to a crux of conservative thought. 'At will employment' was one of the highest principles of conservative and GOP thought.

It is entirely thrown out the window the SECOND that it conflicts with any position, the self same people say they support.