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How significant is it that the two top FDA officials responsible for vaccine research resigned last week and this week signed a letter in The Lancet that strongly warns against vaccine boosters? This is a remarkable sign that the project of government-managed virus mitigation is in the final stages before falling apart.

The booster has already been promoted by top lockdown advocates Neil Ferguson of Imperial College and Anthony Fauci of NIH, even in the face of rising public incredulity toward their “expert” advice. For these two FDA officials to go on record with grave doubts – and their perspective is certainly backed by the unimpressive booster experience in Israel – introduces a major break in the narrative that the experts in charge deserve our trust and deference.

The appearance of The Lancet article by two top FDA vaccine scientists is truly devastating and revealing because it undermines the last plausible tool to save the whole machinery of government disease management that has been deployed at such enormous social, cultural, and economic cost for 19 months. Not in our lifetimes has a policy failed so badly. The intellectual and political implications here are monumental. It means that the real Covid crisis – the task of assigning responsibility for all the collateral damage – has just begun.

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-...-resignations/

09-17-2021 , 03:06 PM

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bobbyJ

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Originally Posted by Tien

Regardless of whether the policy is fascist or not, a policy I do not agree with, how is violence the action that you support?

I didn't say I supported it. I said it was not surprising.

Quote:

Not surprising. Bring in fascist policies and people sometimes fight back.

09-17-2021 , 03:10 PM

#18053

bobbyJ

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This seems rather appropriate in the circumstances.

09-17-2021 , 03:29 PM

#18054

rafiki

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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny

Try and have a little perspective.

I do have one

Spoiler:

09-17-2021 , 03:33 PM

#18055

bobbyJ

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Originally Posted by revots33

I work on a college campus where almost all students are vaccinated (they were mandated). However there is still an indoor mask mandate for everyone, vaccinated or not. And staff is supposed to enforce this rule.

But, there is such widespread and rampant disregard for the mask rule that I am inclined to just ignore it and stop even approaching students who I see without masks on. But some of my staff are fanatical about it and so we spend half our time every day arguing with students to put their masks on. We can report them but nothing really happens to them.

So doesn't it make sense to just say, I'm vaccinated, I'm masked... that's enough, let everyone else do what they want? How much time are workers supposed to spend trying to enforce these policies?

I can't get over how absurd this is. Everyone is vaccinated but you still have to wear masks. (Which don't work anyway)

This is mass lunacy.

We are truly living in bizarro world right now.

09-17-2021 , 03:39 PM

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Montrealcorp

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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny

Again, 200 ICU beds for 4.5 million people. 155% means they only need 313 beds. That's just over 100 people who need an ICU bed that aren't getting one....in the middle of a pandemic, with a really bad variant. The government has no one to blame but itself. They've had 2 years and hundreds of billions of dollars to pre-empt this, and they didn't.

80% of the population has been vaccinated. Even if the number was 100%, the ICU would still be very overloaded, so quit making false assertions that the reason for it being overloaded is the unvaccinated.

Try and have a little perspective.

this guy do not get it...
you can print ten trillions of dollars it wouldnt change a thing.
dollars do not creates human beings and diploma for being nurse and doctor from thin air.

it takes years...

09-17-2021 , 03:41 PM

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juan valdez

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Don Lemon

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Like Trump voters, we should call unvaxxed Americans “stupid” and “start shaming them”

"Or leave them behind. Because they’re keeping the majority of Americans behind."

Me, Imagine if he identified the massively disproportionate vax hesitant black community and delivered this is grotesque and divisive rhetoric....

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Originally Posted by juan valdez

What is the largest demo of vax hesitancy? Black people. Watch the rant again and substitute "trump supporters" with black people. Its just grotesque and divisive rhetoric from what is supposed to be a news network

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuepee

Especially when its not accurate.

But you know, racist gonna racist.

Fact check: Texas lieutenant governor falsely implies Black people to blame for Covid surge

Facts First: Just on raw numbers, Black people, at about 13% of the total population, are not the "biggest group" of unvaccinated people either in Texas or across the US. An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that White adults account for the largest share of unvaccinated adults. Even if we dive into the rates, the implication from Patrick that Black people are especially to blame for spreading the virus is not accurate.

I mostly have ignored your walls of meth rants in the past but I did see many decide to put you on ignore and describe your comprehension skills as a special needs child. Like you can't grasp or follow a basic point and pivot off in to fantasy world completely reformulating the exchange and screaming irrelevant nonsense in to the wind

post a lot less

09-17-2021 , 03:43 PM

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rafiki

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As long as cousins's testicles keep growing huge, we may have problems penetrating the black hesitancy group.

09-17-2021 , 03:53 PM

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juan valdez

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update from kangaroo land

Under reported risk from vax. Extremely low risk college athletes forced to comply if they want to pursue their dreams

09-17-2021 , 04:08 PM

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09-17-2021 , 04:34 PM

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CoolTimer

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Looks like it's crumbling down for the vaccine fascists with this FDA decision.

If boosters are off the table, health passports should logically be off the table as well. If this is what's going to happen in reality remains to be seen.

09-17-2021 , 05:48 PM

#18062

Montrealcorp

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Originally Posted by CoolTimer

Looks like it's crumbling down for the vaccine fascists with this FDA decision.

As if the “fascist pro vaccine” love to wear mask or take a vaccine lol …?

Fwiw , I’m pretty sure it’s those that actually did the thing that are liberate from it …

09-17-2021 , 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolTimer

Booster decision is terrible and will likely cost a lot of lives before it is hastily reversed.

09-17-2021 , 06:23 PM

#18064

Cuepee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

Don Lemon

Me, Imagine if he identified the massively disproportionate vax hesitant black community and delivered this is grotesque and divisive rhetoric....

I mostly have ignored your walls of meth rants in the past but I did see many decide to put you on ignore and describe your comprehension skills as a special needs child. Like you can't grasp or follow a basic point and pivot off in to fantasy world completely reformulating the exchange and screaming irrelevant nonsense in to the wind

post a lot less
...

Sorry that you hate the interruption of your attempts at dishonest propaganda but black people are not the ones most responsible for the spread as you are trying to spin it. That is factually wrong.

09-17-2021 , 06:25 PM

#18065

TooCuriousso1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

Booster decision is terrible and will likely cost a lot of lives before it is hastily reversed.

Report them for misinformation

09-17-2021 , 06:38 PM

#18066

As1an1nvas1on

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

Booster decision is terrible and will likely cost a lot of lives before it is hastily reversed.

this is what "anti vaxxers" sound like to the vaccinated when questioning authority isnt it?

09-17-2021 , 09:11 PM

#18067

rafiki

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Didn't they already backtrack the booster thing?

09-17-2021 , 09:44 PM

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iL1keTurtles

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...oster-approval

09-17-2021 , 11:03 PM

#18069

RussellinToronto

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Originally Posted by bobbyJ

Whoops. Be careful what you ask for.

https://trib247.com/articles/unexpec...horror-stories

Also be careful of what you cite. This "Buddhist Wisdom for Happiness and Peace - A Publication of the Soka Gakkai International-USA" may not be one of the best sources ...

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Overall, we rate World Tribune a Questionable source based on a far-right bias (propaganda), and poor sourcing, and misleading science, as well as a lack of ownership transparency.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/

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Questionable Reasoning: Propaganda, Poor Sourcing, Rejection of Science, Lack of Transparency, Some Fake News.
Bias Rating: FAR RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA (44/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

09-18-2021 , 01:50 AM

#18070

SimpleRick

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

Booster decision is terrible and will likely cost a lot of lives before it is hastily reversed.

So I guess you don't trust the science then.

09-18-2021 , 02:42 AM

#18071

jfound

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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny

agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09-18-2021 , 03:34 AM

#18072

Montrealcorp

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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny

Can we have a real conversation without lies ?

Stop saying nonsense please ok ….

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...ovid-19-update

"Kenney said the measures were necessary in the face of a fourth wave of COVID-19 that could result in Alberta hospitals running out of staffed care beds in the next 10 days."

"Alberta now has more than twice as many COVID-19 hospitalizations as Ontario, despite having a population one-third the size. Ninety-one per cent of ICU patients are not fully vaccinated."

Yes that 20% non full vaccinated left are creating massive problems for hospitals !

That government didn’t do it because they didn’t believe covid was a problem and did exactly what all the anti vaccine favour lol ….
Get rid of restrictions too soon , not focusing rapidly on vaccinating people etc .

That is why In Ontario , British Columbia and Quebec they do not have massive problem like in Alberta btw , how strange ?
Yes they went hardcore full vaccination and restrictives measure and ho miracles , the health care system is holding just fine …,
What a miracle ….

So stop saying even if people were 100% vaccinate it would be the same cause it’s not !!!!

You have it right in your face with Ontario and Quebec and they aren’t even 100% vaccinated ffs .
Fat from it !

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...tion-coverage/

Why you keep spewing lies and nonsense ?

Now do you know what staffed bed means ?
What does 500 billions do if you do not have the staffing to take care of patients ?
Again … billions dollars printing do not create nurses and doctors out of thin air in couple of months .
No medical staffs can be sparred in a world pandemic obv …
So how money help ?

Now you want to talk reality .
I read a doctor in Quebec (and that is real time 2 days ago) :
85 beds in Quebec are stuck with patients with covid .
Those beds being occupied will be around 14 days on average by those covids cases .

Now it does not seem much , but those beds for 2 weeks , prevent around 1200 surgeries , per 2 weeks !

You can be disagreeing with vaccine and all but facts remains .

The cost for hospitals is massive while a quick fix (vaccination) would saved millions of dollars if not billions because all those surgeries will need to be eventually done and for now they can’t because all the staffs are occupied to take care of those unvaccinated people ….

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09-18-2021 , 10:16 AM

#18073

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

Booster decision is terrible and will likely cost a lot of lives before it is hastily reversed.

FDA did not recommend for less than 65. What should be the age?

09-18-2021 , 12:03 PM

#18074

bobbyJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

Booster decision is terrible and will likely cost a lot of lives before it is hastily reversed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimpleRick

So I guess you don't trust the science then.

I lol'd.

09-18-2021 , 12:06 PM

#18075

Cuepee

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To add to Montrealcorp's post i'll quote myself...

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Originally Posted by QP

I think Canada makes for a pretty clear case study.

We really only have one Province with US style Muh Freedums Derps and that is Alberta Canada with its cowboy hat wearing, Texas wannabe Oil and Gas, religious folk.

Alberta now stands out in Canada with regards to a hospital system on the brink of collapse and looking for other Provinces to take in their continued flow of Covid patients to help them not collapse.

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- Since Jan 1, 2021, 0.3% of people with one dose (8,688/2,980,318) were diagnosed with COVID-19 14 days after the first immunization date

- Since Jan 1, 2021, 0.4% of people with two doses (9,777/2,689,686) were diagnosed with COVID-19 14 days after the second immunization date

- 88.9% of cases (154,889/174,293) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

- 88.1% of hospitalized cases (6,840/7,766) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

- 81.4% of COVID-19 deaths (805/989) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

cite

So you have a Province with 15% the population of the Top 3 but almost as many active cases as those 3 combined when there is very little difference other than the derps. Within the coming days and weeks they may surpass the entire rest of the country for new cases if they cannot bend that curve.

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