Thank you.

If cases don't matter then my vaccination status to you doesn't matter.

Yeah it doesn't look good.

Is there any data about these deaths with respects to vaccinated / unvaccinated?

Basically still bad for olds.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel...ster-1.6159472

Yes this is concerning. I believe Israel is almost exclusively Pfizer, no?

If I had to guess I would think that it is one or more of the following:

-Pfizer shot not as good or durable as Moderna
-Israel vaccinated the elderly very early, so that this Delta wave coincides with Pfizer immunity wearing off.
-Less restrictions and less social distancing than during first 2 waves, combined with waning vaccine immunity and the more contagious variant.

I think as the booster shots roll out these numbers will (hopefully) improve.

I was in the Pfizer trial but all things being equal I'd probably choose the Moderna shot if I could pick one. I am not sure if there are any highly-vaccinated countries that are exclusively Moderna, that could be used as a comparison. If so would be interesting to see the data.

I cannot speak for him, but as a member of team "Let it Rip!" I can tell you that I do not care in the slightest of your vaccination status. You can freely choose your form of inoculation, whether a vaccine or Covid itself. I also do not care if you choose to self medicate with all the array of products being talked about that are made for humans or livestock. I do not care if you wear a mask for whatever reason, even if it represents a crushing blow to your sense of freedom. I would suggest if your plan is to go the Covid route of inoculation that you confirm that your health plan (if you are American) will cover your hospital expenses if that situation happens.

Meanwhile in Vietnam:






- Ho Chi Minh City has been under strict lockdown since July and it hasn't stopped blowing up.
- Now they are under even more strict lockdown, cannot leave the house even for food.
- Lockdowns / zero covid will never work in the long run.

Haha wow.

The above is the most obvious admission of someone who is entirely incapable of discerning a point given the context of a discussion. That is Derp mentality 101 writ large.


Let me try and dumb this down even more in the hopes we can reach a level everyone can understand, including the Derps

If an Ebola outbreak happens anywhere in the world and we have a clear understanding between the cases occurring and the hospital and deaths that then follows that is very import data. All of it. The 'Cases" are the alarm bell or pre-indicator for something vitally important which is the stress on the healthcare system to come and the deaths to come.

We would RIGHTLY care about the rising cases and track that number very carefully and sound the alarms as they rise.


HOWEVER (and read this part twice if you need to), ...if a vaccine was developed that did nothing to stop the spread and cases of ebola but it was 100% effective in blocking hospitalizations and death in THOSE vaccinated, the emphasis would rightly shift to hospitalizations and deaths.

A Muh Freedum derp reads the above and says 'but the cases are still just as high, thus that vaccine does not work and there is no reason to take it'. A anti vax derp says 'see that proves it should not matter to anyone if I am unvax'd and where i go. Who I associate with', but that is because they are derps. Derps literally do not have the faculty to understand the lack of logic behind their statements.

A statement like yours which you think was crafted as a clever gotcha is just pure derp laughable nonsense.

Everything you said is correct. The fact they still want to force vaccine me after we see that it doesn't stop transmission and spread, makes me wonder, why do they care about me so much now? Why are they so eager to save my life? I feel special!

Well, since this is something you can transmit to others, they probably care more about slowing that process than specifically you. As I said to a different poster above, I do not care in the slightest which form of inoculation you choose to get, so perhaps that will make you feel better. If you are American then be sure your health plan will pay any Covid related hospital and treatment costs if you choose the natural form of inoculation.

Thanks for that but I am almost always correct.


Anyway, I mean this sincerely when I say you and BradleyT before you are highlighting the problem society is dealing with now.

Not every person has the same cognitin levels. Not everyone has the same ability to assess and see logic. Some people are truly derps when it comes to that.

And what American society is defining as 'Freedum' today is that the derps (and not the experts) will lead in terms of decisions, policy and practice.

If a derp 'does not understand' as you admit you clearly do not, should society (experts) be forced to not take any action until the derps catch up?

That is literally what the derp definition of freedum is, 'do not force me to do anything, until I understand and agree'.

I don't 'want' you to take the vaccine. Bathe in covid and either get culled or find natural immunity that way. I am fine with that decision and what ever odds you face based on your condition.

Truly I am.

But what Derps say beyond that, what Tooth says, is that Derps should have the support of gov't laws to allow him to enter and associate with anyone he wants and any business he wants and no one should be able to prevent that. They try to label that as tyranny to not allow that.

That is the opposite of tyranny but try and educate a Derp on that. Tooth is only now seeing what I said and slowly trying to change his prior position.

Freedum is for you to be allowed to bathe in covid - CHECK
Freedom is for me or any business to be able to say, 'we choose not to associate with you'. - CHECK

Fascism is to say 'We need gov't to create laws to force business to serve them and individuals to socialize with them (Tooth's prior position).


So honestly, you be you man. But respect that when you make your choice, others get to make their choice in reply to your choice.

Be less derpy. If you choose to walk around shirtless and shoeless and a restaurant chooses then to not serve you that is BOTH of you exhibiting maximum true FREEEDOM.

The restaurant turning you away is not them 'caring about you wearing a shirt generally. You should not feel special thinking that means they 'care' about your choice. They have simply decided that people who make that choice are ones they don't want to engage with. That is their choice.

Does that make sense as I am not sure I can say it any more plainly?

(and even Tooth is now getting it so there is hope)

But I've looked at the underlying data and THE RISK IS NOT THERE TO START.

Someone needs to tell this clown that covid isn't dangerous for kids. Vaccinated people spread covid. Vaccines are not approved for or administered to children below 12 in Canada

As we see from the left wing politics posters coming here to squeal, this is just more toxic femininity

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...9bhg-hcku/data

Easy to filter down to your state, age, year.

And while it's tragic that in 2020, 6.5 males my age died with Covid and in 2021 3.5 have died with Covid, we aren't even factoring in health status.

560+ days in and I'm supposed to be shaking in my boots because 10 unhealthy males my age in my state died in 20 months?

You should contact the PC campaign (or more likely the People's Party of Canada campaign team) and suggest they go with your anti-female type slogans. May as well have your voice heard.

Sure, whatever you want to believe. As I said, I literally do not care what form of inoculation you choose to get. If you prefer the natural Covid one - fine with me, but if you are American then you should look into whether your health plan will cover Covid related medical costs based on your choice of being vaccinated or not. Or don't look into it - no real difference to me, just a useful suggestion.

And for the truly logically clueless which is surprising for poker players.

I mean just start sub-filtering for "White"....lol.

Well this clown called a snap election that may cause him to lose.

The dumbest thing said in the thread so far. You win the prize. Given the competition, well done.

So what is going on in Israel? From what I can tell u.k has way more cases than last wave but far less hopsitalizations. Ontario icu numbers remain populated mostly from unvaccinated. So what's happening there

What is dumb? The fact that Justin is a feminine man? That everyone with functioning eyes and social skills greater than a robot understands men and women are temperamentally different? It's not obvious that male leftists are effeminate? Obviously at the extremes things get pathological

You forgot to include an argument, you racist

meanwhile things are cruising along nicely in kangaroo country



https://www.tech-gate.org/usa/2021/0...-in-melbourne/

People who disagree with me are obviously effeminate is a new one.

Such a total arse clown perspective, I can hear your manly knuckles dragging across the ground.

PS I did not have to include an argument because I was not replying to one, I was replying to your personal fantasy stated as fact.

Also just for factual accuracy Swedens DPM is currently 0.25 DPM (not 0.09) and Canada's is 0.38

So far over 2 people have died in Sweden for every Canadian death from Covid.

Interesting graph I came across. From Johns Hopkins, so I presume it's legit.

Nobel prize winning horse dewormer is also CDC recommended for refugees. But don't use it for the covid, that could be dangerous

https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugee...uidelines.html

yes, dewormers are great when used for deworming and not great when used against viruses.

tonight at 11!

except there is continually growing proof (and there has been since early spring) that the vaccine DOES reduce transmission, even though it doesn't stop it, so your insistence on the specific word stop is disingenuous and ****ing stupid.

if there is one angle that the anti-vaxxers could have gone with that would have actually had some teeth, it would have been stating that everyone should continue the wearing masks and distancing thing regardless of vaccination status because there is still a transmission risk with vaccination, but those idiots are also anti-mask and anti-distancing, so there's exactly a 0% chance that ever would have happened. they then did even worse by saying that unvaccinated people don't spread covid but vaccinated people do, which is just so stupid there isn't really any way to describe it other than flat out ****ing brain dead ****ing ******ed.

tl;dr vaccines do reduce transmission but don't eliminate it, so we should all still be masking and distancing to avoid production of more new variants.

There are five words I never thought I'd see together.