I only have news articles in Dutch, but the source is the Belgian-equivalent of the CDC:

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/08...r-geleden-hoe/

This graph is the base chart containing the data:



The x axis shows date, the y axis shows 7-day average hospitalizations.
The light green line shows people who are not fully immunized (=2 shots + 2 weeks), the dark green line shows people who are fully immunized.
The light green line has gone down significantly since the vaccine effort is very successful here. 85% of adult population has had 1 shot, 80% has had 2 shots.

I also find the data incredibly strong and almost too good to be true.
But as a counterpoint, I'd like to remind everyone that Belgium always had very objective corona-reporting, which granted us the status of the most heavily hit country for most of last year.

The data also lines up with other data points, we have a few regions where there are more people refusing the vaccines (mainly Brussels), and the highest number of current hospitalizations is coming from these regions.

Why wouldn’t the data be skewed to less hospitalizations after a very infectious wave 1?

If you have areas with high vaccination and areas with low vaccination then vaccination will appear more effective.

What I've read that makes sense:

There are more mutations in an unjabbed host, because there is more replication (viral load currently tends to be higher in unjabbed). The mutations in the jabbed, however, are much more likely to be the cause of variants that elude the jab's effectiveness, because there is selective pressure in the jabbed (conditions favor the jab-eluding variants in the jabbed).

I understand not everyone against this vax is an overall anti vax person. But the evidence is clear that the cost/benefit analysis of vaccinating is clearly in favor of vaccinating imo.

Ah I see

Tbh I didn’t even read the whole post before I commented, my b

Israelis are traveling all over on holidays and getting tested while the Palestinians stay in Palestine and don’t get tested. It’s an absurd comparison.

I agree a COVID zero strategy is not feasible. But the only fair comparison must involve apples to apples and sufficient time.

Waves begin in densely populated areas. Densely populated areas tend to be more vaccinated, the residents travel more, etc. All of this stuff is correlated.

Reality tends to be extremely complex which is why people on Twitter posting one chart and going “hurrrr durrrrrrrrr” is such a useless endeavor regardless of the subject matter.

Published:August 09, 2021

https://www.journalofinfection.com/a...392-3/fulltext

I could only understand about 75% of it but it seems there might be some potential ADE concerns in the future.

They do claim to be close to 100% against hospitalisation and death.

Dude, being a contrarian in everything has got to be tiring

Any dummy who has bought “markets” in the past day is literally up money. You’re idea of being too late (a contrarian take) is just wrong. They have literally gone up forever.

Covid is probably going to end up catalyzing some pretty cool vaccine tech and instigating some lessons in statistical analysis for the lowly plebs of the world if you can just take off your doom blinders.

If you think humanity will continue to advance and progress (even with bumps along the way), why should the money supply not grow alongside?

The graph shows people who are fully vaccinated are only very rarely getting to the hospital in Belgium. I think it is too soon to make any sort of conclusions from it since our vaccinations peak only ended a few weeks ago (but has been going since February), but it certainly looks very good for the vaccines. Delta has only been dominant here for a little more than a month.

To be noted that the majority of the Belgian population still respects corona guidelines (mask wearing, social distancing, isolating with symptoms, limiting your social bubble) and there are still quite a lot of rules in place.

The data could be true because of vaccine + good rules & behavior. At this point last year we had a lot less people in the hospitals, so it's not like we're winning the fight against delta.

And it's not the same 97% efficacy. It means 97% of hospitalizations came from the group of 30% that is not vaccinated yet and only 3% came out of the 70% that is fully vaccinated.

Adapt or die

Hasn’t that always been the outcome?

Australia calling up more troops to enforce lockdown, and New Zealand announced they're going for eradication. Good luck with that

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...es-2021-08-12/

The left wing (and their experts) are severely mentally ill at this point:

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/stat...76584607899655



Wearing masks in front of your kids at home? Jesus. Not only will it be completely worthless at stopping transmission, for kids it's less dangerous than other common infectious diseases, which no one ever masked for. Meanwhile, kids miss out on important emotional signalling from their parents - smiles, facial expressions, kisses, presumably hugs, etc, stunting their development. And what happens when you eat at the family table? Do you take the masks off for that time, less than 6 feet from your kids while you talk and chew? Of course you do, so how are you stopping transmission by wearing masks?

The left and their experts are severely mentally ill, masking has become a sick religion, there's no other way to look at this. And this is just a tiny fraction of the insanity they're spewing out.

Unless you blast your whole population into space I think zero covid is a pipe dream. Look at China, locked down and can lock down hundreds of millions, and those are real- weld your door shut from the outside- lockdowns

Covid will be like herpes, always with us but not always an issue. It'll flame up and recede but won't die

Take a look at Ontario which is mostly open, still has some rules but is generally much more open than a few months ago. This is something we need to live with and like most things any solution rests in some middle ground between letting it rip and being cautious.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data


Brazil is interesting also. Packed buses, shops, churches, everything jam packed. But vaccinations are rising and burn thru is for sure a thing there. Cases slowly but steadily going down. I'm very interested to see where cases will settle at there

They're not any more, that boat sailed over a month ago. Now it's just suppression rather than eradication.


Meh, ADF drafted in because it's a numbers game and the state doesn't have enough police/people to do the manual labour. It is really made to sound worse than it is. The ADF are literally just door knocking to see if people who have been told to isolate are isolating like they should be. I don't believe they really have any police powers while doing this. Frankly this job could have been done by anyone.

about 5 minutes after writing this they have actually decided to try a harsher lockdown for the Greater Sydney region. Permits required to leave Greater Sydney and no longer allowed to stay in holiday homes (which seemed a really dumb loophole to begin with). Again, this isn't aimed to eradicate Covid here though.... just provide more time to get people vaccinated before letting rip at 70-80% of NSW population (which current estimates put at end of November to end of December assuming vaccination rate remain the same (which will also never happen)).

Heh, it is so comically obvious how some of the posters in this thread have no kids, are likely not ever around real kids much, and have pretty much zero chance of ever being in the position to have kids.

You guys have always been extremely clumsy about your messaging, because your alt-right agendas are what drive you all the time, but in the above examples at least Shuffle is being direct with his messaging with regard to a theoretical scenario in which he can be with an actual woman.

Toothy, you need not be concerned that parents will be masking up at home (unless potentially someone actually has Covid), and a rando cherry picked whatever comment from one of a million interviews will not change that - so fear not - the "Leave it to Beaver" scenes you imagine playing out in every household that you will never be a part of will continue without evil masks being in the way.

Anyways, one of the main beliefs of team "Let it Rip!" is screw masks, since all they may do is prevent people from being properly inoculated as quickly as possible. While I do not agree with the alt-right people who scream threats of violence over cloth to medical people (I notice you never comment on those types of crazy people for some reason) - as a member of team "Let it Rip!" I am fine with voluntary unvaccinated breathing in the air around them without anything to block stuff. Seems you agree with this given how much you obsess over masks, so if so are you ready to officially join team "Let it Rip!" then you have a seat waiting at the table where you can smile without cloth to ensure you offer and receive all the social signalling you need!

Dear silly person incapable of adding anything to the discussion,
Because you don't care about the topic and here for your lonely troll hard left agenda, you once again get basic facts wrong. This is the Director of the NIH - not a "random comment" - talking about official CDC advice that parents should mask at home in front of their unvaccinated children. Even the NIH director thinks it's weird but advises it anyway. A lot of people actually follow CDC advice religiously - given that you're a lonely loser silly troll at home with no life who thinks "zero value" posts (your words) are worth making in "zero value" (your words) thread, it's not surprising that you don't understand what people in the real world do, but the notion that no one will follow this advice is simply wrong. But even that is not the point.

Given that you're so desperately trying to spin away from this, I assume you agree with me that this is absurd and a sign of something rotten in the CDC that they're putting out such nonsensical/pointless/stupid advice on masking. Thank you for helping me make my point.

I know how important it is for you to toss personal insults, but that comment was pretty random, one even he qualified with "this is weird."

The messaging has been pretty weak from the medical community, because bluntly many stink at messaging. Its not their thing, just as (for different reasons) it is not your thing. Your limitation is that you are locked in hard to a fringe belief structure and that always determines how you think and say things. You also littler your discussions with fairly weak and mundane personal attacks, and when you try to represent your views from a perspective other than your first hand experience (like when you talk about family life with kids) - it really shows how you miss the mark, even if you do not see it.

Do I think that there is something rotten in the CDC like you need to believe with your narrow alt-right belief structure? Nah. The people that work there do not have a sinister agenda that they discuss with each other in back rooms while twirling and oiling their mustaches. They are medical and science people, and most have no clue how to present their messaging in a way that relates to regular people, because that is not their skill set.

Their motivations are fine - they want fewer people to die and get sick - they want to defeat the virus etc. How they message that varies. In contrast, your motivations are clearly motivated by your narrow belief structure, hence you will scour the internet to cherry pick things from the "evil left" to use for your purposes. Toss in some childish insults, an occasional praise of yourself for a course you may have completed at a community college - and you have your formula of messaging.

How is that formula working for you so far? Thousands of posts and you get banned from various threads and forums here. You frequently do the beta "woe is me" appeal to mods all the time in vain. The only people who partially agree with you are those that you basically ignore as they go on about Covid being a fraud, or it all being a heat wave, or that it started 5-20 years ago or they post wacky links to extreme anti-vaxxer sites. Those are the only ones that quasi-agree with you, and they do to help their own agendas. Other than those donks - who have you convinced of anything with all your effort all this time? Your messaging stinks.

Anyway, you still have a place in team "Let it Rip!" whenever you are ready. Others have joined that team I formed, including some that have much different views from mine overall, so welcome to how better messaging can be effective.

Hey mods.

You realize this guy is only trolling 100% right?

This is as 0 content 4 paragraphs as it comes.

For someone that keeps trying to tell the world he doesn't care about what he posts in this thread, you sure do spend a lot of time writing paragraphs trying to flex intellectual superiority posts.

All the best <- am i doing it right? Rofl

Giving unilateral control of our economy to these kinds of expertz was single most idiotic decision humanity ever took.

And we did it because politicians were cowards.


Regarding masking at home. I am not sure anyone would listen anyway. I do see the random guy that drives alone in his car with a mask on and windows up (lol). But that's like 5% of the population.

Yeah, how Monterey is still here is beyond me (and Cuepee too). Just complete losers who add zero content. There's a bit of leeway for people who add actual content, but for pure politics idiots and trolls who don't even participate in BFI, who half the forum has on ignore, who add zero value, who voluminously post nonsense, it's just bad moderation.