USA now above UK 7DRA DPM.

It still has significantly less
CPM.

DPM

UK: 1.22
USA: 1.38

CPM

UK 384
USA 297

UK doing much more testing though.

Al Jazeera English: In England, hundreds of vaccinated people hospitalised with Delta.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...lly-vaccinated

This is a troubling statistic as preventing severe illness is the primary purpose of the vaccines.

I'd be interested to know when these people were vaccinated. Israeli data shows protection against infection is all the way down to 16% after 6 months. Although their data showed more robust protection from hospitalization... this UK data shows that perhaps the protection wanes on that count also.

I suspect we will need boosters and sooner rather than later.

I bet the demographics of the unvaccinated and the vaccinated groups are quite different. Vaccination increases considerably with age, so pretty much no chance the average or median age of the unvaccinated people in the hospital is close to those that are vaccinated, and at that point you might be comparing a chunk of average 37 year olds with fewer underlying conditions (unvaxxed) vs average age 61 year olds with more underlying conditions (vaccinated), and that changes the shock value of the data to an extent. Kind of surprised they do not break it down further by age bracket.

People who believe the vaccines are not working, what do you expect to happen in Winter? It's going to get worse than it was last Winter?

I still feel the data points to the vaccines doing a great job, but it's obviously looking less good every week.

This week in Belgium in a retirement home 20 fully vaccinated elderly caught the Colombian variant, 7 died.

That's doesn't sound too bad given how many are vaccinated. (Even less so since it's 'in hospital having tested positive in the last x weeks' rather than 'hospitalised by covid'). We're hopefully heading towards the 2/3rd of hospitalisations being fully vaxed figure:

Some good news
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/eng...ys-2021-08-06/
Might be related to the weather or other transitory behavioral factors but it looks good.

That is some high level derp from Derpee.

A bio weapon as contagious as covid and ability to mass kill people is going wipe out Muricah by North Korea. Holy stupidity.


His poor little brain doesn't understand why that can't happen.

The UK death rates during that span look really good relative to 1st and 2nd wave.

Please don't piss on the doom parade. The sky is falling

Shuffle.

You're way off. It was around a lot earlier than that. Are you familiar with Dr David Martin at all? He's got actual evidence that proves both the existence of SARs Cov2 and the vaccine developed specifically for it, from the early to mid 2000s. Or to put it more correctly, the vaccine was developed and then a reason to use it was "invented".
The Wuhan lab is a red herring.

No. You don't get it. You have been sucked into the narrative that the perpetrators want you to believe. Think about it man. None of it makes sense unless you realise that it's all been engineered for a reason. Why the deliberate campaign to suppress any alternatives to the almighty vaccines or the fascist mandates being cheered on by the corporate media. It's all about one thing. Getting the sheep to accept experimental vaccines and then the inevitable boosters evey six months. It's about control, but ultimately it's about money. Lots of it.

Someone teach Bill Gates to bet full Kelly.

Forgetting I wrote it is derpy and I accept the clown shoes for that.

But nothing stated in it is derpy.

You have to be child level naïve to not believe many countries have both Gain of Function and Weaponized Bio Weapon programs in the 2021.

Do you deny that? Do you not think it is possible or more likely probable that they have very deadly viruses and as we speak they are studying covid's profile to be able to template its effectiveness?

So if you are smart enough to agree with the above (which omg if you are not) then what is your issue with point 2?

Do you think due to US top screening a person coming in from China or Europe or anywhere would never get in to the US in a way they could spread it to the population? If you think that then how did covid get in? Obviously this is the easiest breech possible.

So then on to point 3. The US derps and their ability to deny any orders to protect US society once a deadly virus is identified. Do you think US derps will just suddenly submit the next time and follow gov't orders?


Be specific in your reply. Name which of the 3 areas you just think are not possible to happen or so out there they never would?

I like how the business and finance thread is a wonderland for wacky theories. Please take my money and invest it

Imagine your concern about a bio-weapon attack being that the country isn't fascist or monolithic enough to handle said attack.

Also, cuepee those features of America aren't exactly new and believe it or not largely don't stem from trump supporters.

Pretty sure everyone knows Cuepee is a ******

Pretty sure everyone knows Cuepee is just parroting whatever low functioning progressives tweet.

Lol I must admit I enjoy your conspiracy theories of the week. Not as good as the US rounding up the unvaccinated and putting them in internment camps, but entertaining nonetheless.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...wn-2021-08-07/

60% of population in lockdown. This doesnt look like a NSW problem anymore, this looks like an Australia problem. And the cases arent dropping, theyre going up..

I know your going to say something like "if those darn Sydneysiders had just followed the rules and stayed at home, that pesky virus would just go away". But thats the whole point, you keep locking people down over and over again, eventually people are going to get antsy and want to go outside and interact with other people. Its human nature, and its probably the right thing for them to do, given the toll on their mental health isolation takes. Expecting this "lockdown when you catch a whiff of the virus" strategy to work forever is insane.

I like how citizens of oz aren't allowed to leave, and have to apply to return home. They keep getting better now adding to that where citizens with dual citizenship aren't allowed to return to their other home country. Australia is taking the resident evil approach.

It's being caused by immigrant communities at this point. People are obeying the lockdown fairly well elsewhere, so that's a wrong take.

Agree with your general point about lockdowns.

Yeah Spinoli, I don't know why you keep parroting "never ending lockdowns" that's never been the aim. The current issues fall squarely at the feet of the NSW state government and federal government, other states are having to deal with the overflow like you would spot fires.

We are not in a position to let it rip (yet). All other states have managed to bring community transmission of delta back to zero, before another case pops up and is linked back to Sydney and the cycle starts again. Delta is/was eminently controllable in Australia with simple sharp lockdown's. The federal government does not currently have either the man power or number of vaccines needed to vaccinate the entire population before December (at current estimates). So could have this crisis been adverted if NSW government had shown more competency? Absolutely. Can other states just let it rip now? Absolutely not. Again, you keep phrasing things as binary choices when clearly they're not.

For example the NSW government insisted that only essential workers should work during the lockdown but refused to define what was essential. I can still go to IKEA if I want to (even though IKEA made over 2,000 people a close contact on one afternoon). This isn't a lockdown bad/opening up good debate. You're conflating 2 separate issues. Lockdowns are/were Australia's best strategy. However you can't do effective lockdown's if Gladys Bin Chicken doesn't do what is necessary in NSW (due to hubris and ego) and we don't have enough vaccines for the population. So everyone just gets caught in the **** show.

Nutella is also right about the disgraceful treatment of our citizens abroad.

You have any data to back that claim up?

your blaming it on the incompetent government and im saying that it was always going to be this way.. if it isnt Sydney this time next time it will be Perth, or some other city. And you cant have nobody working, or no one would be able to purchase any goods. Maybe you think that they made the definition of essential worker too wide, but that doesnt mean that some of these essential essential workers were going to end up spreading the virus.

I wouldnt be shocked at this point if the vaccines stopped working in the near future due to virus mutation, so I doubt vaccines are going to save you (never mind that you need 95% of the population vaccinated to hit herd immunity with the delta variant). The symptoms of the new variants keep getting worse and worse for vaccinated people with each mutation.

How many cases is it going to take before you realize im right?

Also, I've come up with an interesting idea. As a vaccinated person, I think it might actually be better to get exposed to the virus now and develop some more antibodies then later when it mutates far enough to cause some real damage.