Quite a backtrack.

"Israel has more cases and deaths than Sweden has right now, looks like Sweden was right to let it rip!"

"Yeah, but Sweden has double the death rate overall of Israel, so how can you argue their approach was better?"

"Well, we shall see what happens!"

I don't know if shuffle is right or not, i lack conviction on this topic. But I would take that

side of the bet before the consensus. If you go back and look at my posts from last spring

I posited the vaping illness and ft detrick theory but was shot down. Not much has

changed.

You can make an argument that Sweden's less restrictive approach to lockdowns was better for their economy, or the mental health of their people. At least that is a fair point to debate. But arguing based on deaths and hospitalizations when one is twice as bad as the other, is odd to say the least.

I don't even get what you are arguing. That Israel was too quick to roll out vaccines? They'd be better off if fewer of their people were vaccinated? You make no sense and I don't think you care as long as you can troll.

You are debating the guy who pitched vitamin D and the other quack cure. He is not a troll, he believes what he says, but not quite sure what you expect to accomplish talking to him. Even the OP, who is trying to salvage his sidekick doomguy for now, completely ignores him and his posts.



You and Shuffle should definitely do a deeper dive into the vape thing. Perhaps you can post links to some of your posts you made then to help in that regard. You should even go back further to see what could be the events that were pre-vape as well.

When it is time to look forward both of you have a place on team "Let it Rip!" whenever you are ready, as that is the most logical approach moving forward to get everyone properly inoculated.

It's amazing what a significant other can do. Just a case of the super lonely

I'm not arguing with anyone in particular and I'm not on any team. Something resembling the truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, China will blame the US, the US will blame China. Gain of function research originated within DARPA and was expanded from there to other countries.
The majority opinion is Covid did not start in the the US. All i'm saying is I will take the other side of that bet. With all that conviction out there, I should be able to get good odds for my side

Safe to say that when the truth does come out eventually that a chunk of people will not accept it and will do all they kind of find details to support the truth they would prefer to believe in instead.

Toss in some links of your vape posts and research, and hurl some of the DARPA stuff as well so that it can be discussed in greater detail. No need to join a team to do that.

Good to see Shuffle standing by his principles even if it costs him tenants and money.


Airbnb suspends host who refused accommodation to vaccinated guests

Airbnb has suspended a Victorian host for barring guests who have recently received the coronavirus vaccine and falsely claiming they might infect others.

The host of Ruby Hills Organic Chook Shed in Walkerville in south-west Gippsland stated on her Airbnb listing that she did not accept bookings from guests who had been vaccinated with “experimental C-19 gene therapy vaccines” in the past three weeks...



“Due to the fact that this jab has not been safety tested and is showing signs of transfection [sic] to those that have not had it, we are doing our best to keep our family and fertility safe,” the host wrote.

“Thank you for your understanding. This is a strict policy.”...

Sigh. Still having problems with reading comprehension I see. I didn't backtrack at all.


I said it was an interesting comparison. Which it is. At a time time where Sweden's deaths seem to be hovering around zero and Israel's seem to be increasing by the day. I'm interested in why that might be, especially as Israel's vaccination rate is a lot higher than Sweden's.

Which is the better strategy in the end? Full vaccination or let it rip. I haven't got a chrystal ball. Neither have you. Hence the "we shall see".

Sorry, 'mass' was lazy but 'many' would have done.

There is some small evidence that covid wss around earlier. There are tests being done on old samples and there are some claims
https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN27W1J2

Also we expect new viruses to often mutate to become more infectious so it's quite plausable that earlier versions were less infectious. Especially if they come from different species initially.

The only sane answer is to block Shuffle McDoomPorn and let his posts die on the vine, as they deserve.

Shuffle that was a throwaway unclassified memo from the lowest level embassy staff. Cmon

It points to lax safety procedures in wuhan that then caused the outbreak.

I'm not interested in your theories or sources. I'm just curious as to whether you're getting these entire theories, talking points included, from sites that you are too embarrassed to share or you're actually connecting the dots yourself.

Whenever I check in on this thread, Shuffle has crossed another bridge farther into the land of ignoramus doomporn.

You think the measles outbreak in 2019 was actually SARS-CoV-2? COVID and measles are really not very similar in terms of presentation. And your numbered outline above shows you really don't know how the medical system works. If a kid with a rash and conjunctivitis (not common COVID symptoms) shows up to a doctor, and the kid hasn't had an MMR vaccine, yes, the doctor will likely run a measles test. The diagnostics aren't particularly expensive (and doctors are compensated for expensive tests by insurance anyway), and the standard test (swab or urine PCR) is very accurate. (I presume you have no basis for saying the results would be inconclusive other than bias for doom fantasies). Lastly, the measles outbreak in 2019 wasn't characterized by "podunk" doctors. The outbreaks mostly came from large metros with very good hospital systems (Portland–Vancouver, Brooklyn, Bay Area). Citing the measles outbreak as evidence that SARS-CoV-2 has been around for years in the US is one of the dumbest things you've said in this thread, and you have said A LOT of dumb things in this thread.

Make a half dozen copies of it and keep the original in a safe spot. Easy game That's what my doc told me to do anyway.

C’mon that is just half assed. De Blasio talking about apps now with the digital data. I’ll repeat what I posted earlier, if the government does this we need
— laws
— regulations
— a bureaucracy

Not necessarily opposed but do it right.

I mean you mentioned losing/misplacing your card numerous times--like it was some big potential issue lol. So I gave you a simple and effective workaround I already made my copies months ago.

So you're running with the theory that a bunch of doctors suspected they were dealing with a measles outbreak and not a single one of them opted to "run expensive tests"? They all just shrugged their shoulders and said "guess it's measles!" when in reality it was an as-of-yet unidentified COVID? That's really your theory?

Can also take a photo of the card and keep on your phone, Google Drive etc

i find Derp rage over that hilarious when there position has always been 'if you do not like the risk I pose, being unvaccinated, not wearing a mask, not social distancing, and not protecting myself or others in any way from exposure, then you should stay home. Leave the restaurant I come in to. Leave the grocery store I enter. Don't ask me to do things when you can just stay home to protect yourself.

And now that same crowd is crying crocodile tears when told, you can choose to not do any of the precautionary measures, but if private businesses then do not want you and the added risk you represent in their establishments, they cry 'how dare they suggest I can just stay out. What am I going to do? Just stay home???'

FLOL at derp logic or lack thereof.

There is no other segment in history that wants the consequences of their decisions to not be their responsibility but instead the responsibility of others. They are self entitled, childish, nits.

First of all, this is something that everyone's known for a while. And no, you can't just extrapolate that to the US as a whole to come up with 5million. They disproportionately tested blood samples from the regions that had early reported COVID cases. They also don't how many of those may be false positives (whether lab errors or other human coronaviruses). What they are saying isn't that the proportion here is reflective of the prevalence of COVID-19 in the US at the time, but rather statistically at least some of those are from actual COVID-19 infections, which means COVID-19 was in the US earlier than had been previously reported. Which, again, has already been widely discussed and accepted.

The study that has more recently been in the news:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...christmas-2019
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...073?login=true

looks at All of Us Research Program Participants from January 2-March 18, 2020 and is nation-wide (though not necessarily evenly distributed). They found that 9 of 24,079 samples were positive. Again, nothing surprising there.

Whether the first US cases were from September, October, November or December and whether there was community transmission earlier than December - these are interesting questions, but none of this lends any credence to your insane theories.

Also, if hypothetically, COVID-19 was widespread in 2018 but no one really noticed, or whatever it is that you're trying to argue, that makes any particular conspiracy theory that ties its origin to WIV or US government or CCP or whatever (again, I have no idea which particular conspiratorial angle you're after here) a lot less likely.

Agree they are morons... but there is a valid argument that, if you are vaccinated, then you are not really at risk from the derps anyway. So all these rules are really designed to protect the same idiots who will probably harass the poor teenage hostess, who gets paid minimum wage and has to tell them they can't come in.

Maybe just let them in and say eff it. Maybe time to join team Let It Rip.

I think the unvaccinated folks still slightly elevate the risks for all, but I agree with the general idea here that at this point trying to push vaccination to them may be unproductive. It's also likely that a substantial number of them choose not to get vaccinated because they're pretty sure they had COVID-19 at one point, which should confer some level of immunity. Which btw, is a confounding variable for studies that measure the effectiveness of vaccines in the wild.

I'm not even a little bit surprised that problems with implementing policy in the spirit of a china style social credit system is going over certain peoples head.

You're vaccinated, go live your life and stop focusing on those that aren't. Vaccines themselves will create resistant variants. Get vaccinated, or don't. Get sick, or don't. Get a booster, or don't. But maybe just go live your life (or hide until you feel safe) and stop trying to control everyone else. You can protect yourself, so do that and move on.

With the rise of social media we have discovered how nasty and toxic people are with anonymity. Focusing on attacking and tearing down everyone/thing in their path. Same mentality with vaccine uptake. Worry about yourself, you're supposed to be protected. Ignore your inner dictator and do your thing