Yeah, I know the way the hosting site looks. And I shared it despite that because the video and presenter seem very good.

A quick google search of that presenter shows he is right at home on that site, and he would likely tell you that.

I talked about messaging a lot, and I get that many in this thread do not quite understand the importance of it, but a site like that is created to monetize themselves from people who want to believe those extreme views. The presenter has written books like that for the same reason. They are making no effort to have any kind of real discussion or debate, nor should they given their business model. They provide content that their niche consumers want to see and they get rewarded for it.

Seems you realize that site does not help (from an image perspective), but I expect many here will not have a problem with the content of that site. After all - with a title like "DO VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM?" - they are simply asking questions, or something. Guess we will see if anyone else has issues with your source.

Anyways, good luck recruiting more members to team "Let it Rip!"

What did you google? Richard Flemming +? MD? JD? Grifter?
Idk what to say, just judging the video based on what the man says, his credentials and experience, and the evidence he presents. For example he ran his own RCTs.
Like, if you want to discuss something from the video then cool, but I know you have no interest in watching any of it sooo, k?

I just googled his name. I assumed he is not the dude that lived in the 1400s (Wikipedia for that same name), but is actually the person who wrote a book titled "Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?" and a quick look on his Twitter (relatively low follower count) paints a clear picture, because he wants that clear picture to appeal to his niche audience. He even talks about how people become magnetized with the vaccine. Not sure what you want me to say, enjoy his video, follow him on social media and buy his merch. After that get back to recruiting people for team "Let it Rip!"

lol just ignore the overall narrative of the site and listen to the guy who totally not pushing the sites ideology. Seems legit.

It seems to me that allowing Dr. Fleming to speak unchallenged for hours is irresponsible. He has a checkered past (as a convicted felon) and often goes on & on about his credentials. He seems to have an political agenda that extends beyond science & medicine. He (amazingly) seems to hint that Dr. Fauci had a hand in the death of Kary Mullis.

He also creeps me out.

He has that snake oil salesman look thing going for him (an image he clearly enjoys). Not my particular approach to marketing, but it seems to work for those trying to appeal to the audience of a site like that. Trump does it. The pillow guy really does it. That congress guy who purchased escorts (with some potentially being underage) does it. That type of persona must resonate with their followers in some way - maybe they think it represents alpha male or something.

The site itself uses some very standard photographic tropes for how they portray people who are with them and against them. The Buffalo Bills player who is extremely anti-vaxx is shown with a victorious athletic picture. Those who they disagree with are shown with gaping mouth pictures (all politicians have them given how many photos are taken). This marketing approach is not unique, especially in politics, though it seems the far right sites go to almost cartoon lengths at times in this regard. That is what their consumers want, so fair enough in them doing it. Those from the other political side have done this as well (though its not as common), with Mccain being on the receiving end of an "evil portrait" that a photographer for the Atlantic Monthly did who did not like his policies.

I think you guys need to understand that TooCuriousso1 has a high LSAT score and high IQ and perhaps you are just not at his level when it comes to analysing this stuff.

I mean I wasn't browsing the site lol that was the link to the video I clicked. Yes it's a shame the site is like that because seeing that is an immediate turn off from watching the guy speak.

Didn't realize about his felony, tbh first time I've come across him. Yes also thought that was weird when he referred to the guy's death from pneumonia.
But still found quite a lot in the video interesting and hard to dispute?

Haha no just compared to you, the person who has called me dumb 20x in the last 5 exchanges.

Many of those people have bigger things to worry about like HIV and Aids.

The future is Islam and will sort out these problems.

If the jab efficacy against hospitalization/death holds, then it's that efficacy, less the side effects vs. preventative and/or post-infection treatments. I don't think it's the cut and dried decision in favor of jabs that many do.

You did exactly that.

What does "incredibly effective" mean? How much data do we have demonstrating this against delta? Is this data reliable? For example, authorities are straight out lying claiming its 99% effective against hospitalization.

It's not a "gotcha", it's a "wtf". And I think you are missing the fact that in the unvaccinated group, one got sick and zero people died.

Why would you mention safety? None of this is about safety. You're just propagandizing at this point. In fact your whole post has no data, no critical thinking, just propaganda. What are these "mountains" of real world data showing delta effectiveness, the current relevant strain? I certainly agree there are "mountains" of data for alpha - the vaccines are enough to end alpha. Is there for delta?

Let’s hope it works out better than when they took aim at urban planning

Is it more likely for a variant to cultivate in a vaccinated or unvaccinated body?

What conclusion do you draw from this data point? That it is safer to be unvaccinated?

Regarding the data on vaccine effectiveness against Delta, it is readily available and I am sure you already know it. I really don't feel like Googling around for links for you, there is data from the UK, Israel, Canada, and the US all easy to find if you want to look at it.

Is vaccine as effective at preventing infection as vs alpha? No.
Is vaccine as effective at preventing hospitalization and death vs. alpha? Marginally less.
Does protection vs infection wane over time? Clearly yes.
Does protection vs. hospitalization and death wane over time? Possibly, likely needs more data and time to know for sure.

I mean I don't get your argument? No one is saying the vaccines are perfect or that they are a guarantee. But the data proves they work. Against alpha and delta anyway. That may change with new strains or perhaps they may stop working against those strains also, given enough time.

It's quite stunning isn't it? Peer review, consensus, the global scientific establishment and the left wing media are so utterly, comically broken that a single guy (plus Chinese influence behind the scenes which is everywhere and clever) writing a comically flawed paper about whether the virus was natural was able to create a worldwide left wing consensus that the Chinese lab leak theory - a near certainty - was a dumb conspiracy and impossible because of the virus structure.

Let that sink in.

Prob doesn't even budge Florian Krammer off his 1% LL odds I'm guessing.

Let intelligence do their assessment before we start jumping to conclusions.

These things take time. Its not like the WIV was likely under surveillance. I mean what are they supposed to do? Look at a the information likely in their possession that states it came from the lab and determine it came from the lab?

That's how you find the early truths, sift through what the "nuts" are saying. Nuts are mostly nuts, but sometimes some aren't and are right.

LL theory was once banned on social media because it was that much of a crazy conspiracy theory. Truly let that sink in.





Lmao.

I mean that Clay Travis guy seems like a dirty republican with an agenda so watch the video of Dr. Osterholm with extreme caution.

Imagine thinking cloth masks stopped Alpha infections, and then imagine thinking they stop Delta which is much more awesome at getting you infected.

You know what happens to mostly stop you from smelling bad smells? P100s. Suggest you guys try it if you want to actually give not sniffing delta a go. Or just not and say **** it.

Let r rip baby

This is an interesting approach, but I would suggest that people tend to only watch and consume material from "nuts" that they want to believe, kind of like what you are doing. That is fairly normal human behavior, but try to be aware of it - it is similar to why many in this thread will give a quiet soft pass to the wacky anti-vaxx website you recently linked, while they would jump instantly against others who do not share their vision if they ever posted something equivalent with an opposite position.

I would also add that you may want to consider that some people who are not "nuts" may also be correct, even if they do not say what you want to hear, but I get also understand why you and others will ignore those people for the most part in favor of sampling the mixed nuts.


Yeah! Let it rip! We need to get more people on the team! Stop watching videos from nuts and recruit some!

As for the masks, at this point I agree at the futility of them in places like parts of the USA (even if they have some value), and the fight should be to get people inoculated either with the vaccine or with Delta. If Trump holds more rallies for patriots then that will certainly help.

I'm amazed we are still debating masks. Get vaccinated or get Covid those are your 2 choices. Trying to shame people who did the responsible thing and got vaccinated, because they don't want to continue wearing masks forever, is just a terrible strategy.

I'm on team let it rip. If you got vaccinated congrats, you are smart and can now resume your life.

OK, where do you get your truth from?
How do you trust the same people that claimed:
-cloth masks work (Osterholm just used smelling smoke as a proxy loool)
-the lab leak is a total conspiracy (big fav)
-natural infection isn't good enough (looks significantly better than vaccine from recent data out of Israel)

I'm like
25% nuts from twitter
10% raw data
20% studies
20% arguing and reading 2p2
25% articles

Gotta balance your range

😂

This report came out a few days ago.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/cov...om-the-states/

The key takeaways to me -

"Almost all (more than 9 in 10) COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths have occurred among people who are unvaccinated or not yet fully vaccinated, in those states reporting breakthrough data (see Figure 2).

The reported share of COVID-19 cases among those not fully vaccinated ranged from 94.1% in Arizona to 99.85% Connecticut.

The share of hospitalizations among those with COVID-19 who are not fully vaccinated ranged from in 95.02% in Alaska to 99.93% in New Jersey. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)

The share of deaths among people with COVID-19 who are not fully vaccinated ranged from to 96.91% in Montana to 99.91% in New Jersey. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)"

This data seems to be pretty straightforward, and a much more reliable indicator of the impact of vaccines.

Isn't that the point? Until we start seeing a spike in hospitalizations and deaths among people who are vaccinated, the only takeaway that makes any sense is that the vaccines are working.

This isn't nonsense spin. It's vaccines doing what they are supposed to be doing. Saying that we can't tell if vaccines are working because all the deaths happened before people could get the vaccines is a real strange way of being critical of vaccines.