Or you could reflect on the FACT that even though Delta is ripping through the UK for 2 whole months now, relatively no one is in hospital or dying.

If however you are not vaccinated, its likely Delta will find you.

If you have health problems and or old, and are not vaccinated yet, do it now.

No you are an idiot who can get people killed with your lack of rationality and absolute doom porn addiction.

Not one credible scientist has got close to claiming that the vaccines dont work at all, not even close to this.

You are spouting complete emotional deluded anti science because you have gone full absolute moron ****** window licker.

You are spamming your whole thesis on one sound bite of one politician, should not have to point out how utterly depraved and pathetic this is.

You are worse than dumb, you are a pervert with a death fetish.

Just to be clear what a death fetish pervert Shuffle is.

UK is presently just 10K a day off its last winter peak.

50K a day v 60K a day.

That no one in hospital or dying relative to our last wave is being hand waved by a death pervert because of "wave period".

Which btw no credible authority even remotely supports.

Have you seen the "data" talked about in this thread? The guy who wants the world to end because he hates life is spending 10+ hours a day creating new interpretations of information in ways that can't be imagined by normal humans to scream to the world that vaccines do not work (because he hopes they do not work). Another dude cherry picks stuff to suggest that vaccines murder mass amounts of people. The lead donk essentially believes the best way to handle the virus is that everyone gets infected. Was Cuepee's 3 patient bit of news significant? Nah, but look at what it replies to in this thread to give it a proper context.

Of course the vaccines work. The number of unvaccinated people that will get sick or croak will be a different magnitude than those who are vaccinated moving forward.


Of course not every single patient will be unvaccinated, but assuming in the USA that about 40% of adults are unvaccinated (with some of them already having gotten Covid as well) - it seems that if 40% or so of patients in the hospital or that croak moving forward in the USA are unvaccinated then one can say the vaccine is doing little. If that number is actually 99% or 97% or 95% type thing - well, then you need some derp applied to the equation which is what this thread is about. Lots of derp, the derpier the better!

All the best.

Two months ago about 20% of all new cases in the UK were Delta, hardly "barely present", and that was before it being treated as a variant of concern so was likely under-reported. It was the dominant strain 6 or 7 weeks ago and by 4 weeks ago it accounted for over 80% of all new cases (now at 99%).

There's obviously a lag between cases rising and hospitalisations rising but the delay is already longer than it was in previous waves (by date, not cases), which makes it pretty much impossible for the lag to be the only reason for the low numbers of hospitalisations at the moment. In fact given that there are also fewer restrictions now than at the start of previous waves we would expect the initial transmission among young people to more quickly spread to those who are more vulnerable than in past waves but none of the data suggest anything of the sort.

There are other contributing factors, most obviously seasonality, but there is absolutely nothing in the data from the UK supporting a conclusion that vaccines are anything more than moderately less effective vs Delta than they are vs other variants - let alone that they give "no protection at all".

I'm in here criticizing what I think is currently a mainstream view in the US: Current hospitalizations are representative of vaccine efficacy in the near future.

Damn, we are far gone when I have to clarify that I believe vaccines do something.

Your posts show that you believe that, but this thread is esentially an explosion of derp wrapped in derp sauce with derp sprinkles on top, so I am the first one to wonder why people even debate the derp instead of just get entertained by it.

I guess I would ask you - what do you expect your current hospitalizations are representative of vaccine efficacy in the near future point to mean to the main and supporting characters in this thread? At best they will say your point proves that vaccines do not work at all, and more likely they will just not pay attention to it if it does not fit their narrative. You may already be on ignore for that reason.

To give your point a shot, since nobody else will, at what point will the numbers mean something to you? If the end of August sees that 97% of hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated people (for say the month of August) - will that change anything? I ask because it aint gonna change a thing to the main characters here. They will say the data is false and quote a guy they saw in Subway ordering a footlong if need be at that time. Then they will mock cloth masks and post a graph of data from Yemen.

To put some context on efficacy. Fergusons modelling which had us at ~50k case per day now and up to 200k cases per day later, assumes a vaccine efficacy of about 90%. Other modellers have used higher efficacy in their modelling.

Those levels of efficacy also produce numbers such as:

3 fully vaccinated Texas House Democrats just got covid. Makes me feel good about not getting vaccinated.

Dont know why that would make you feel better about it but you can add the UK Health secretary

It's absolutely incredible to me the amount of scare mongering going on for a disease with a 99% survival rate. Probably closer to 99.9% if you take out deaths due to old age or underlying conditions. Yet people are so petrified by the propaganda that they think taking an experimental vaccine is +ev.

Simply amazing. The human race is getting dumber by the day.

I find it odd that with a double vaccination effectiveness of 95% percent some people are surprised that people who have been double vaccinated get COVID, I mean have you never seen a horse race when a 20 to 1 shot wins?

Indeed, and if proof be needed …..

I tend to the view that vaccines are provably the most important measure in extending the human lifespan after adequate sewage systems. On the other hand I could listen to stupid people spouting stupid ill informed paranoid opinions, so 50/50 decision eh?

It's just further confirmation that I made the correct decision.

Yup, you made the correct decision.

All the best.

^^ Please stop shilling for the Darwin awards

This isn't complicated. You need data related to the delta variant. Hospitalizations lag. When near all the hospitalizations in the US are from delta then that is meaningful information about delta.

You can't look at US data from last week, 2 months ago, etc.

OK, and fast forward whenever (not that long from now) when pretty much all the hospitalizations and deaths are Delta related - when the numbers come in that 95%+ and maybe 99% of those people were unvaccinated - what do you think that data will change in this thread in terms of opinion? Look at the donk above this post - you think anything related to your point will matter unless it can be used to service his needs, and even if it does not service his needs he will convert it to a way for it to do just that or put it on ignore. Welcome to Derpland. My advice is sit back and enjoy the entertainment.

People here aren't talking about vaccines in general. They are talking about these particular ones. You know the ones that haven't been fully approved yet. You do understand that, right?

The statement “ pro vaccine propaganda” belongs in the same category as “pro not sticking your head in a bucket of boiling acid propaganda “.

Different coloured text eh? I for one am convinced by this argument.

Of course I do, if a vaccine is proven to be ineffective it should be withdrawn. It a good to be sceptical but bad to be cynical.

By the way look at some of the posts here, they are not talking about specific vaccines.

It's just amazing how these idiots just buy whatever propaganda is fed to them. Critical thinking courses should be a requirement to live.