Inaccurate already and those are only individual considerations.
Now run this realizing you live in an enormous closely connected society.

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Imagine being TS and so stupid you do not understand correlation.

Imagine not understanding the equation is not simply :

- 'omg Indian variant + temperate climate = new exploding covid spread'

And instead is,

- 'variant + low vaccination rates = new exploding covid spread'

Imagine not understanding that the latter is happening in temperate regions as well.

Imagine correlating that the high immunity in places hit from the 1st wave (NY, etc) matters but not understanding that if these TrumpDerp States did not fight the vaccine they TOO could have immunity rates.

Imagine being as dumb as TS.

BTW Massachusetts is run a lot like a Democrat state. It ain't a bleed red state. So Democrats have 4 of the top death rate states from Covid. But but but republican governors are straight murdering people!


Man Cuepee 15 months in still doesn't know what happened Covid. Posting about democrat vs republican deaths in July 2021 and saying democrats did better is braindead hilarious at this point. He doesn't look at the data, just headlines.


I have a dumb uncle in the family that is like Cuepee. Middle aged, thinks he knows everything, talks at every family gathering like the resident expert in all affairs, yet everyone is just rolling their eyes at his dumb takes.

When he gets proven wrong for the 50th time, he keeps typing and talking.

Hahaha the dumbest poster in this forum, Tien, chimes in with more idiocy.

Now Tien get graphs on the top 10 States by New Cases which is ACTUALLY what we are talking about and take your strawman TFOH.

This discussion is on the impact of vaccines in a State (high vax rate versus low) and what that means to CURRENT spread.

Catch up you nitwit.

As Canada and many US States are seeing dramatic drops in covid cases certain derp States filled with derp citizens are seeing a terrible spike again putting their hospitals under pressure.

Even TS is not so stupid he is denying what you are missing, he just makes a dunce like correlation suggesting that vaccines are not part of the reason why.

TS does not understand 'immunity' is not solely a function of prior illness (as per prior waves) and now is greatly impacted by Vax rates. Something that is higher in the better performing States and low in the derp States that are seeing cases spike.

TS will eventually understand that, now I have explained that to him like he is a toddler so you will soon be left entirely alone on this hill you will die upon.

More confirmation this guy is a total psychopath. If anyone needed it.

HMS Queen Elizabeth has a fully vaccinated crew of 679. They have an outbreak of 100 infections. Now this fully vaccinated crew will be wearing masks, social distancing with a track and trace system.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617

85% efficacy rate amongst fully vaccinated individuals and still have to wear masks...lol

Total psychopath. LOL, ok. You come across like a scared mouse tbh. Hyperventilating over an old doctor and some volunteers going door to door. Lemme guess you though Obama was gonna come steal your guns also.

2+2 = 4 AND 2+2 = 5

What don't you understand? Do they need to send you to room 101?

Two and two always makes up five

The experts are once again losers. It's over. Vaccinations do not protect against spread of delta - they cannot get R even below 2 - and all that's left is for it to run fully through the population. There's no point in dragging that out, just run it through at below the hospital overwhelming level and be done. It's the only sane thing left to do.

Currently the experts are busy killing the global vulnerable (1 in 20 death age groups) by trying to force vaccinations on the local very non-vulnerable (1 in 100,000 death age groups). It's so stupid and they're so toxically incompetent.

Can you point to any data that back up your statement that "Vaccinations do not protect against spread of delta"?

Yes. R > 1 in >88% vaccinated isolated low socializing populations (the old in the UK for example) and R>2 in >65% vaccinated populations.

There are multiple case studies of superspreading delta from a single vaccinated person. For example, there was a superspreading event in Israel where a vaccinated person infected another vaccinated person who then infected - by himself - another 60 mostly vaccinated people.

It's over, this is going through the population flu-like and vaccinations can't stop it.

Experts being losers/worthless people however, they're trying to vaccinate kids and make everyone wear masks. It's so stupid and dysfunctional.

ALL vaccinations protect against the disease, not necessarily infections.
This has always been the general rule.

Can you newborn vaccine experts at least grasp the basics?

Again you are making conclusions without elemental understanding of the subject.
To make such a conclusion, you would need a study with accurate comparisons, not just rough numbers.
For starters, there could be vast differences in age, behaviour, comorbidities etc.
Were those people fully vaccinated?

We need studies, not rough calculations and conclusions from amateurs.

Outlook is not good if the Vid can just go summer so ****ing wat.

I think most people would have thought that after two serious waves and a high degree of vaccination, we would have reached a point where the virus struggled to spread in significant numbers, especially in Summer. However, its adapted and overcome. Not good imo.

However that people who are vaccinated can get infected (but have very very low serious illness) is a positive.

It removes selection pressure, a vaccine escape variant has no advantage over a non vaccine escape in terms of infection.

However degree of replication in host will be a factor.

Data from the health ministry of Israel is "rough calculations from amateurs" now? Ostrich much?

Heh.

Anyway, with this site being sold, what are the future plans for you derps in the likely situation that throwaway sub-forums like this get removed. Are you already spreading to other forums or will you just react to that situation if and when it happens?

All the best.

Expert data is fine; expert strategy is not. That you think or pretend there's an inconsistency there makes you a Cuepee level derp.

As for our posting plans, you spend a lot more time than me here lately (it's summer and semi-open in between covid waves, why aren't you out living life??) while believing the posts have no value at all. That makes you a true weirdo with no life. Why would post somewhere you think has zero (your words) value? I post because I'm interested in covid analysis and it matters for that market and it's something I want to keep up with it and apart from worthless people like you and Cuepee, there's some interesting content here at time. You're post here because you're a loser? I can't see any other reason if you think the posts here have zero value.

See, I like that the dude with thousands of posts in this thread tells the dude with dozens of posts to get a life. That is the derpy stuff I click threads like this to see and be entertained! How would you assess the life of the dude who clearly spends hours a day scoring the internet for his doom fetish porn? I understand if you want to avoid commenting on him as he is on your derp team.

In the end I do not care if you bounce your positions all over the place as you derp it up. The derpier the better from my perspective, since nothing you have said has any impact on anything. If your plan is to say that this thread has never meant anything to you (assuming it gets closed) - that is cool with me as that will be a proper form of derpy rationalization. Derps gonna derp in the end.

Whatever happens here, if you ever find another person who thinks what you are saying is insightful then you really should link that, because so far the only one who heaps praise on you is you. Next time you are around humans in real life be sure to look back as you are leaving to catch their "what a derp" reactions they have when they think you are not looking. Actually, better for you if do not do that, and continue with your ignorance is bliss lifestyle.

All the best.

Again you show a child like general comprehension though.

In the end does it matter if covid runs through the population like some seasonal cold or mild flu if everyone is vaccinated?

The derps seem to think it is the transmission alone that makes covid a problem, hospitals stressed, and societies institute rotating shut downs.

Guess what derps, it is NOT.

It is the hospitalization rate almost exclusively, correlating with a death rate.

So with 99%+ of those hitting hospitals and then dying being in the unvaccinated populations the prescription should be for them to to vaccinated not for the 'Let it Rip', let them all get hospitalized and die at the corresponding rates to get to herd immunity in that group.

You are literally calling for a cull of the stupid. The derps.

And we likely will have no choice as derps will be derps and they will listen to idiots like you, and so around and around we go.

This line above by Tooth is so classic TS.

I do not remember which poster summed it up but it was so apt.

Tooth, in his vast and obvious insecurities, has created this mythos of the 'incompetence of Experts'. When data is presented 'he alone (TS) is to be trusted'.

He mocks experts and their over education as meaningless. Thus anyone who has got more education and specialized should be taken of no more, and indeed less, value than TS when data is analyses.

TS also has a disdain for those less educated than him and their value.

Thus again, he alone has the perfect mix, for analysis.

Ironically though whenever TS takes a position and experts in another area agree with him he quotes them often with a 'case closed' type argument as if expert arguments that agree with his are irrefutable. I quoted him the past dismissing experts in one paragraph while in the next using other experts (not just data) to make his case.

TS is that guy we all grew up knowing who thinks he is the know it all on every subject and everyone around him agrees meanwhile, almost to the person, he is quietly mocked behind his back as a blowhard who is far more wrong than he is right.

And in this thread the absolute proof of that is that almost every TS position eventually and inevitably gets contradicted by a latter TS position.

Here, lets bookmark this post for later.

As more and more hospitalizations climb and the death toll comes overwhelming if not almost exclusively from the unvaccinated TS will slowly pivot his point to match mine.

Right now TS claims it is clear it has nothing to do with vaccinations why certain areas (States and Countries) with high vaccination rates are not seeing spiking R when it comes to covid. It has to do with temperate weather patterns and spread of variants.

TS has not yet connected in his mind that, while in the absence of vaccines temperate weather patterns provided one of the best defenses, that protection does not really exist for the Indian and other variants that evolved around that. For that we now need antibodies. Antibodies via prior infection or the vaccine.

TS does not yet understand that so he thinks Canada and US States with high vaccinations rates are basically just lucky the variants have not yet grabbed them too.

I guarantee you as more evidence becomes available TS will slowly wake up to it as it will hit a threshold where even he is able to analyse and see the trend. It is just not there yet for someone of his limited cognition.

And i will requote this post when TS starts echoing my arguments.

I will also add he will say 'he was right both times. That back then (now) it had nothing to do with vaccine rates and everything to do with temperate weather, while later saying it has everything to do with vaccines and temperate weather or not, it does not matter'.


BOOKMARKED!

We are pretty much seeing corruption in our society play out in real time with regard to the issue of vaccine immunity versus immunity from natural infection.

Obviously this is a crucial issue, since there are both health and economic factors that come into play. Yet the popular narrative at this point is that vaccine protection is better. Here is one such article.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fauc...n-alone-2021-5

But the study that this article was based on is absolute crap (it only studied antibody levels, which only offer short-term protection.) But it just so happens that the data coincided with the best possible outcome for the pharmaceutical industry, and as we have seen over and over again, it's tough to find scientists willing to publish results where the answer would cost the industry that funds the majority of their research billions of dollars.

The sad thing is, I know companies that are working on possible treatments - which is our only way out of this mess - who can't get any funding at all because pharma companies don't want to find a treatment when they are poised to make billions of dollars from vaccines that may not even provide a net benefit to society in a few years.

That is correct - currently.

No ****, stupid clown. I'm about 10 levels above you in thinking. That you think this is a relevant just proves how 50+yo dad brain you are.

I understand it perfectly well. You, being a worthless poster and idiot, showed temperate Canada vs southern US states as evidence that vaccines were mattering. But it is not an evidence point at all in favor of that. Because you are a worthless person/idiot who doesn't understand anything, you didn't realize that the patterns looked exactly the same as last year and they are most certainly explained by seasonal effects rather than vaccines.

To show that point, I posted this, 70% vaccinated UK vs 20% vaccinated Montenegro:



Using loser/idiot/worthless poster Cuepee logic, this is proof that high vaccination rates increase covid.

Get the point? Of course you do, and you are highly embarrassed, so like the loser you are, you're trying to pivot away from that embarrassment and turn it into something else.

You seem easily triggered. It's summer and semi-open in between covid waves, why aren't you out living life?? Consider a visit to Montenegro.

Heh, derps.

All the best.