No. You are deliberately muddying the waters. My risk assessment calculation was specifically about taking the vaccine to protect others as you requested. That assessment has to include the likelihood of spread being eliminated if you somehow manage to vaccinate most of the world's population. Which is highly unlikely. If you want to debate the merits of taking the vaccine solely on the risk/reward ratio as it applies to an individual that is a different argument.

By the way, I was mistaken with my long term risk assessment. I should have included the short term risks in that calculation as well. Death is both a short term risk and a long term risk. So the risk can't be zero because people have already died after taking the vaccine.

Brett Weinstein's interviews are always excellent. Here is a guy who invented the MRna vaccines and he's saying they aren't safe. If that doesn't make you sit up and take notice nothing will. He's not the only one either. There are other highly qualified people saying the same thing also.

Yup.

This is what happens when you base world views and opinions on feelings and not fact. You get things wrong, and double down, triple down on it.

You're*.

Oh by the way you were so angry and emotionally upset last year that you said you would quit this thread and never come back. Looks like you crawled your way back here to get kicked some more. When making royal proclamations about quitting this thread, were you honest about it or just being a clown? Looks like you are the dishonest one and FOS. I have a better memory of what happened in this thread than you do.

Always a pleasure.

Biden is responsible for about 200K of those deaths since he kept doing what Trump did -> Keep everything opened and refused to lockdown.


Biden is such a monster! He only cares about the economy, how could he let 200K Americans die under his watch?

Variant spread and the virulence of the variant spread is ABSOLUTELY impacted by preventing the main existing strains from spreading more. The more hosts the more chance a tougher variant gets thru, thus India and its mass population of people acting like test tubes to find the worst strain yet.

You are simply wrong on this point.

That is not muddying the waters.

These are two sides of a counter balance.

Vaccine on one side and chance of getting Covid on the other.

You cannot simply say 'here are risks of vaccine and why not to take it' without then looking at the other side of the ledger as your risks due to contracting covid go up.

You make that same calculation with any vaccine if for instance you were traveling to an area of the world that required one. There are potential negative impacts of the vaccine versus the risk of the underlying disease if you don't take it.

Trying to pretend there is only one side of this equation for a person to consider WOULD BE assign. They NEED to consider both sides.

Biden had nothing to do with all the incredible stupid decisions and positions Trump and his admin took at the start of this and thru the first 9+ months of this that forced the infection rate up to its tipping point.

Biden inherited that from the prior dunce.

Only a dimwit does not recognize that in a pandemic the first hand full of months are the most key as to how much of a foothold it will get and then how it will proliferate after.

All through Trumps management the USA was always almost the worst performing countries in the world and not the best and that is on Trump.

Keep telling lies, your time for honouring yourself is not over yet.

I did say I would quit the thread, because its was boring, winning all the time, arguing with people with a vacuum of intellectual ability.

I like to come back for the lols though.

Clowntooth and his brown nosed cuck sycophant Tien really supply the comedy.

The whole emotional angle is pure projection.

Huge amounts of hypocrisy is another one of your innate character traits.

As for remembering the thread, I have worked out this feature of the forum, its called the back button.

I dont need to remember the thread, I can just browse past discussions at will.

Doing so reveals what a scumbag liar you are in simple objective undeniable black and white.

Biden could have stopped the deaths going from 400K -> 600K by doing massive national lockdowns.

He didn't. He did nothing and just kept the economy open and allowing people to die.

Total monster.

So you quit the thread because you are winning all the time and it was boring. And now you are coming back just for the "luls". Are you the only one that believes this bullshit? I guess I am the one coming here for the "luls" since that was one big "lul".

You quit this thread because you were emotionally frustrated with the conversation.
You proclaimed to the world you were quitting this thread because you have ego problems.
You came back to this thread for the same reason you clicked on it in the first place for the entire 2020, you enjoy arguing and flexing absent intellectual dominance.

Huge hypocrisy is you making your royal proclamation about quitting, lying about it, coming back and calling other people dishonest.

A good quote to remember yourself by: Keep telling lies, your time for honouring yourself is not over yet.

Again you are missing the point. You accused a guy of being selfish if he didn't take the vaccine. I provided sound logical reasons for that being a stupid accusation. You haven't provided anything to refute those reasons.

Cuepee here's one of those people you think should get the vaccine for the good of society. Now she's dead.



https://noqreport.com/2021/06/15/19-...derna-vaccine/

How's that burn through strategy working out in brazil?

You are such a trash poster that you cant even come up with your own counters, you have nothing in the locker accept no u.

Pathetic as always.

Though of course we should expect no less from the guy who is so dumb, so ignorant, so emotional attached to his positions, essentially ******ed, that he actually tried to argue against the idea there is a lag between case numbers going up and deaths going up.

Simply a moron who's opinion can be dismissed immediately on all issues because of a simple lack of ability to process even the most rudimentary of realities.

Never forget:



As for all that trash about why I post, the amazing thing is how far you have your tongue up the arse of the poster to whom all that diatribe actually applies to. You couldn't be more hypocritical if you tried.

Looks like that isn't the case:

You quit this thread because you were emotionally upset with ToothSayer.

Now you are re-inventing narratives about the past.

Some good points about you:


As I said. You aren't mentally nor emotionally stable. You lie about quitting this thread and got angry over being called out. Now you are just foaming at the mouth in anger like you did often in this thread. My read on you was right this entire time. Good to spike the football in your face.


Oh the Sweden angle. Having meltdowns over Sweden constantly and Sweden ends up being totally fine despite not even doing a lockdown for the first 10 months. You were convinced that Sweden was having an apocalypse, well we're waiting.

Amazing, you quote me and then just make up a fantasy narrative about the quote.

That's all you are doing creating fantasy cognitive dissonance narratives that have not an iota of grounding in the ebb and flow of this thread.

You were the emotional one about Sweden. Its there in black and white.

It made you abandon all reason to the point of arguing that increases cases dont lead to increased deaths, thats how frenzied you were about Sweden. Making actual absurd insane claims.

Ill just post the proof again shall I?

As for Sweden having an apocalypse, just more narrative fantasy.

Actual argument is Sweden was much worse off than its Scandinavian peers, which as you know is fact.

So on the date shown in this image.

Tooth and I made two contrasting claims about the direction of cases in the USA.






Its simply undeniable how ridiculous, emotional and hysterical Tooths/Arse lickers (Tien) position is.

I used the absolute low point from last peak, an absolutely legitimate methodology, to show a trend that obviously continued.

Tooth showed some other completely contrived point to try and show cases were actually falling/flat.

A complete cognitive break from a very obvious reality of rising cases.

Obviously arse licker lapped it all up with his brown tongue.

This is the entirety of this thread in a nutshell.

The End.

Haha nothing shows more how stupid you are and your utter lack of understand virus proliferation and subsequent death, than the above.

Wow. Literally one of the stupidest things ever said in this thread with regards to understanding virus spread and the resultant death.

Yes i did exactly provide the refutation of that logic.

You saying 'but... but I donn't like that answer because it is not what I want to hear' does not change that.

In EVERY SINGLE virus versus vaccine equation the associated risks of the vaccines exist. Some cause other serious issues that require multiple other medicines to counter. But the vaccine is deemed worth taking regardless as the dangers of the virus or disease are considered more substantial.


The idea that you can divorce these two and solely say 'there are XYZ unknown dangers in taking the vaccine, thus it is idiocy to take the vaccine' while saying 'I refuse to consider the XYZ unknown dangers and the ALREADY KNOWN dangers of the virus' as if that is some kind of derail is just M'Uh Freedums type idiocy and bro science.

There is NEVER an instance that would be done. That is NOT sound methodology and is in fact idiocy to solely consider one while ignoring the other.

Horribly. Peru is a shocker too. It's hard to wrap your head around Peru's numbers, the Manaus variant is a nightmare. They have 1.9 million people dead (US population equivalent) but with an average age of only 31.

And before the lockdown cucks pipe up:

They certainly took it seriously and got a handle on it early at the policy level. Let's bring in Cuepee to hold forth on this:

Absolutely clueless clown as usual. I'm too busy living life these days in newly reopened Europe to do up the graphs of early harsh responders/control measure vs results, but the suffice to say they look a lot like Peru all across Europe. This is how pandemics go, if you contain it early it bites you in the ass later like it did in Czechia, Hungary, Croatia, etc etc unless you go full extreme isolation route which only dictatorships and islands/tiny countries seem to be able to manage.

This, below is EXACTLY the type of bro science that dumb people find compelling.

It is exactly the type of post Trumpderps think 'zomg I nailed him with this one'.

I would laugh if it was not so pathetic in highlighting the inability of a group to use logic and process an argument thru.

OK bobby, how many people do you want me to post here dying who were celebrating not taking the vaccine or taking any measures who died? Do you want me to stick to those who were fit only, and looked like they had nothing to fear or can I just post most of the 600k dead?

This as we dive into the depths of this great point that cannot be countered, as provided by bobby. FLOL.

What happened in the six weeks following some posters insisting the line was flat.

Cueepe,
What do you think this looks like:

(1) Life-years of unpleasantness, suffering and death from vaccinating all 19 year olds.
(2) Life-years of unpleasantness, suffering and death from not vaccinating any 19 years olds

If think the science shows that (1) >>>> (2) for 19 year olds and it's not close. Many have very unpleasant effects and are knocked out for a day or two with bad side effects. Then there's this (ignoring the many deaths which have no causal link yet except for TTS):

As of June 9, 2021, VAERS has received 623 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults.

VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine...(there is no causal link known for most and unlikely to be in my (Tooth's) view)...However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

This is all from the CDC website