Why should they be going "through the stratosphere"? Much of Europe was at the end of 4-6 weeks of hard lockdown a month ago (people dying now). Europe should actually be lower than it is.

Wave 1 and Wave 2 (autumn) also cleared out a lot of the old and ill so you'd expect excess deaths right now to not be as good a measure of corona deaths as the first wave. In France for example plenty of nursing homes had large culls.

Everything is as it should be. Monster lol at bringing back totally dead T Cell theory.

Last I read on aspirin the consensus was it doesn't help. This study among others show no effect among the people it should actually help the most: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...111/jcmm.16198

There are positive studies too of course. Scientific research and publishing being the absolute joke it is, who knows what the truth is.

I occasionally unblock a Cuepee post -- which I regard in the same way that I can't quit help looking at a car accident even though I know I should -- and I regret it every time I do it. Cuepee, you may be a fine person and all, but your posting ITT is stone-cold awful. Please post less and think more before you do.

I'm coming around to the view that we should open vaccinations to everyone and get them out the door as fast as we can. Restricting vaccines to certain classes of people seems almost necessarily to slow the process down, and with a more prolific strain uncontained, speed is everything.

What's the current state of the science on whether those who get covid even after taking a vaccine suffer less severe symptoms?

For Pfizer, the data says there's a 53% protection rate two weeks after the first vaccine. That goes up to 95% two weeks after the second vaccine.

No idea about severity reduction from one dose or if that data even exists. I'd imagine infections in that first dose window are fairly low.

Explain why locking down prior to 'the new strain reaching broad spread and has not yet succeeded in out competing the non prolific strain', does not help stop the overwhelming of health services?

Do so in light of my prior statement that the vaccine poses the ultimate end to this and thus explain why letting it rip and infecting as many people as possible prior to the vaccine makes sense when we can correlate deaths directly to that higher number.

I'll wait.

The distribution is too slow. At this point just open to public and let the pharmacies run waiting lists and let them prioritize healthcare workers.

They are worried too much about who should be first, not enough about getting people vaccinated. It's ridiculous.

Open up Mega distribution sites and have people sign up for a time slot online. Run the sites 24/7 once vaccine supplies allow.

3770 dead from Covid in the US yesterday. New record.

Not me, the NYTimes.

Go pick a fight with them.

If I recall your hypothesis was that people already had an inherent T cell immunity.

The article does nothing to support that hypothesis.

It's a pretty big step forward. Connecting t cells to lasting "immunity" - which in this case means the immune system prevents a person from getting seriously ill, not that it will prevent the spread of the virus - is a pretty important concept. Remember, a few months ago we were thinking that people might have immunity for months, not decades.

It is obviously very difficult to prove that people might have inherent immunity, since you don't often study people who don't get sick. But the second wave has been noticeably less lethal than the first one in places that were hit hard initially. In Europe we are at a flu-level number of deaths despite massive increases in cases and conditions that many people on here predicted would lead to a substantial increase from the spring.

Eventually there is going to be a discussion about the impact of this virus in places that have had widespread exposure to previous coronaviruses, most notably Japan. And that will ultimately be the best way to study cross-reactive t cell immunity.

We are not at flu like levels of death in the UK and many other European countries, that is pure bollox.

So euromomo is wrong? Are you a researcher that specializes in collecting these stats?

The numbers are the numbers.

Wait wat?



The second wave happened with restrictions already in place, more sophisticated treatment understanding, and some level of immunity in the worst spreaders from the first wave, as well as culling of the sickest (like nursing homes) in the first wave. Deaths soared to higher than the first wave despite this, and were only arrested by harsh lockdowns in many European countries beginning about halfway up that vertical.

Your theory is dead, son. It was dead many months ago once I laid out the data showing the clear reasons why it was nonsense. But you keep and kept listening to the losers on Twitter and are a true Truther now.

It's becoming abundantly clear that the government has absolutely no plan for distributing the vaccine, so this has to happen. If they had a plan, any plan, the other strategy would have been better.

This crisis is the best argument for either severely limited or severely powerful government in the history of mankind, and I will be referencing it for the rest of my life. Democracy handles crises terribly.

Are you claiming the UKs governments stats on its own C19 deaths are wrong?

We had 1041 deaths today, that number will be larger this time next week.

You belong in the bitcoin thread. 'Number go up' is not an argument.

You belong in the learn to read thread, its a perfectly fine argument in response to number go down.

It's funny how you refuse to post euromomo data, which goes country by country, and instead post blanket data, which wouldn't account for differences in individual countries. And then use that as proof, when you well know it is a bad faith argument.

As far as the "we are in a much better position to handle the virus now than we were in the spring" argument, that is the exact opposite of the argument you were making a few months ago, when you were saying things were going to be a lot worse in the winter.

jsb euromomo does the annoying thing of updating graphs with incomplete data. The data will look different in a couple of weeks.

Here is Belgium mortality monitoring, Europe will look flatter but not significantly flatter.

https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/momo/

Yeah excess death has like a 26 week lag for even 90% completeness. jsb confirmed complete clown. We have the actual covid numbers but the clown goes EXCESS DEATH as if we don't have covid numbers. It's fully "what about Building 7" level Truther stupidity, clinging to anything he can to keep his comically debunked T Cell theory alive.
The winter is already worse than the first wave despite lockdowns and it's far from over. What the actual **** is wrong with you? Your T Cell theory was DEAD to anyone not an idiot the instant I debunked it conclusively in 5 different ways months ago. Why is everyone who argues with me a complete idiot?

Except that isn't an argument either, nor one that has ever been used so far as I can tell. It's only tangentially near the same playing field as the debate that has actually occurred.

So it is no longer wait two weeks, it is wait 26 weeks.

GG.

If you choose to use a 6+ months lagged dataset, yes.

Does anyone have any more information about the South African strain? Information in pretty scattered, but some authoritative sources (health ministers and top scientists) have said:

- It's more transmissible than even the UK variant
- It's moderately likely that current vaccines won't work fully on it
- It can't be easily identified from PCR tests like the UK strain can (requires sequencing)
- It's been found in many countries now

South Africa is soaring and it's their summer

LOL, I argue that you should engage less with trolls and stop insulting people.