Odds of a 50% increase in cases in the next 3 months crashing the market?

I think we'll see some noise (profitable to trade short term) but I'm not sure we'll see a crash with a vaccine being rolled out and spring coming, not to mention stimulus checks and PPP going out which are direct market bids. I believe we'd need a meaningful shift in the expected future of corona - vaccine not working, more deadly strain - to see a March 2020 type selloff again.

So as far as I can see most US colleges are planning to reopen as usual for the spring semester (some will still be partially online or hybrid). Given the new more transmissible strain which will likely be dominant within 2 months or so, am I wrong in thinking this is lunacy? Colleges muddled through the Fall with a few bad outbreaks here and there, but the situation now is miles worse than it was in August.

The market will crash like it did when the second wave hit in autumn.

this sums up most of the posts in the thread lol

a few guys giving their opinion with information and other people replying with

"lol you so wrong" "lol how stupid are you" "wow you're an idiot"

without even giving one reason

Is this thread supposed to be packed with investing and finance end bosses? Much like the poker section 95% are net losers

finance end bosses don't use their own money kek that's for sure

The claim is that this strain is much more infectious and has been circulating for months. If so, it's inconcievable that it isn't well established in mainland Europe and the USA (among others) as well as the UK. Would be astonishing if it wasn't being found everywhere they look.

Ok I'll have ago.

What we're 'demanding' is support for people lives and their income and their businesses. The government has been trying to do this with some some significant success between bouts of ignoring reality and persistant incompetence.

Youc an argue it's not worth it and the costs are too high but your current claim is simply false.

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Covid is so out of control in CA that emergency workers have been instructed to ration oxygen to patients



and not only that


from the article:




"Health authorities in Los Angeles County have directed ambulance crews not to transport some cardiac arrest patients whose survival is unlikely. At some hospitals, patients are being lined up outside while workers try to find bed space."



"unlikely" -



I would interpret that to mean:




if the ambulance worker, a person with limited medical skills and knowledge, thinks a person has only a 25% chance of surviving - just let him go





https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/w...ronavirus.html

Haha.

Nice assumption that you make there that 'let it rip' would NOT overburden the healthcare and would magically stop short. An assumption that is not tied to reality and is just magical thinking. It may be true but it may not.

And guess what if it is not? Then in your logic the lockdowns are needed.

hahahahaha oh what...

You first argue 'lockdowns are particular harmful when you have a more virulent strain competing with a lesser strain as the more virulent one will escape and propagate without competition... ergo worse'


Then later when a more virulent strain is proven to be the in the US and the math shows it will propagate at a very high rate compared to the prior strain you argue ' this will require lockdowns as this one is really bad'.


FLOL and only you can pretend both those positions are the same.

Yes I f*cking educated you and schooled you, you idiot. I laid it out in simple clear and detailed terms the fallacy you were assuming and you immediately moved to pivoting your position to align with mine.

For those who want to follow Tooth's pivot, caveat, backpedal in real time here it is below.



Tooth starts out with an absolute position that 'utilizing a lockdown when you have a more virulent strain competing with a lesser one is wrong'...

I then lay out for him in clear, easy to follow logic (as if I am talking to a child) why he is wrong...

Tooth immediately begins his pivot, caveat, backpedal to say what he always meant was yes, locking down a more virulent strain is not only correct but might be REQUIRED now.


Full mandatory and enforced lockdowns are now his position if he says that math holds and he says that is the same as what he said before.

FLOL

Like I said, you'd score below 140 on an LSAT. For the 100th time across multiple people, something you characterize as being said is not what was said. Like thinking nothingburger means "nothing, zero".. You're so dumb you're not even a person, just a total loser that's nothing but a madlibs generator. Hoagie gets it said:

Cuepee sorry but no one is reading these long, unintelligible rants.

Cuepee,


TS said lockdowns help select* the more prolific strain. (I'm not smart enough to know if this is true)

Then;

But you then rationalize that you schooled TS because of a situation where he thinks lockdowns are required and therefore you've been right all along.

It's as if you don't understand there is nuance to when a place might lockdown (see his points about very early in pandemic/Wuhan/without Covid being widespread).

You repeatedly read things people write and completely miscomprehend what they mean or their point.


Like the post that pointed out TS (the guy you've been calling a science denier) wears N95's while you collect free garbage masks. Then you wrote "lol" or something as if TS got "owned" when in fact it was you.

Haha, ya I am misunderstanding Tooth as this is not clear.

Ergo LOCKDOWNS BAD. Makes spread of more virulent strain worse resulting in more deaths.

To

OMG this strain looks virulent and bad and thus NEEDS LOCKDOWN, LOCKDOWN GOOD, as the way to supress and restrain it.

FLOL at Tooth apologist brigade and their blatant stupidity. Yes idiot, by Tooths own logic a lockdown on THIS STRAIN would "help select* the more prolific strain." HELP IT. Make is even worse. Those are his words, until he backpedaled away from them.

Black<-->White

And nothing in between

I have a relative who is experiencing covid-like symptoms; she has not yet been diagnosed as having covid but has been tested and is waiting on test results which she should receive tomorrow or Friday at the latest.

In the meantime, besides doing all the things one does anytime you get sick--staying hydrated, getting plenty of rest, treating coughs & fevers with appropriate over-the-counter meds--is there any generally-accepted consensus on what vitamins, supplements, and other "possibly helpful but as-of-yet unproven" medicines one should take at the onset of symptoms with the goal of reducing the length and intensity of symptoms if one does in fact does have covid?

Sorry if this has previously been discussed in this thread, but I don't have time to wade through 100+ pages, and when I google this topic the advice is pretty generic, basically treat as one would do for flu and cold symptoms, and go to the hospital if you're having trouble breathing.

I'm not a doctor or scientist or anything but it does seem like the evidence is significant that being deficient in vitamin D is bad for covid patient outcomes.

Cuepee,
You are misunderstanding because you're a worthless idiot with the reading comprehension levels of a special needs child. I have never met anyone on 2p2 as stupid as you.

Position 1: Lockdowns and restrictions help select a more prolific strain because they prevent immunity developing optimally. When prolific = 100 cases and non-prolific = 2,000,000 cases, restrictions give the prolific version time to grow and overtake the non-prolific compared to a burn through scenario. Then when it has overtaken, the R of the prolific strain is a lot higher than it would be in a burn through scenario as well (due to lower immunity).

Position 2: Once the prolific strain reaches broad spread and has succeeded in outcompeting the non-prolific strain, lockdowns are necessary to stop overwhelming of health services.

These aren't in the slightest bit incompatible. You're just a completely worthless loser wasting everyone's time again because you have a toxic combination of unbelievable stupidity, terrible reading comprehension (the worst I've ever seen), and aggressive gotcha attempts. It's so epically stupid that it's just madlibs.

Any forum that isn't broken bans worthless losers like you. We really need some active moderators who actually read these threads. All of current ones are busy with life.

I would recommend against the latter. Let your immune system do its thing rather than mess with it. Early on there was fairly good evidence that over-the-counter meds for symptoms made covid progress to worse outcomes. I don't know where the evidence is on this at this point however.

There's nothing you can do. Rest, fluids, simple healthy foods are it.

The NYTimes writing about T cell immunity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/h...-immunity.html

Also, since it's winter, excess deaths in Europe should be going through the stratosphere right now. So let's check in with euromomo.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Deaths over the last four weeks have been under the 2018 flu season. But obviously we have to wait until winter really starts, as December is just the beginning of winter.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice. I am dumb (but not as dumb as Cuepee), call a doctor for their recommendations.

A few months ago the ER doc I'm friends with strongly recommended taking aspirin early/during (assuming I/one had no reason to believe they couldn't take aspirin). Which seems to be pretty well supported these days from what I can tell. Due to it's anticoagulant properties and the way Covid causes issues on that front.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7574725/

I've gotten the symptoms on 31st and tested positive last saturday. I didn't take any pain relief, I did however took a lot of Vit D, C and Zink the first 5 days and mainly drank tea. Today I feel I am completely fine, still need to get back the scent of smell though (lost in 2 days ago). I believe this is a normal timeframe for getting over covid so I don't think vitamins did anything.

Getting enough sleep and resting is the most important imho - I didnt have fever but was very very tired the first 4 days. I'm in early 30s, active and of good health otherwise (don't remember when I was ill the last time)