That was the point of me going back and forth with him 10x.

To show people that read these threads how full of elephant dung he is. Not to actually try to change Cuepee. He is wilfully ignorant and happy that way.

Will make up a lie and stick with it even when proven false.

Being wrong is fine. But creating lies after being proven wrong shows me he's insane enough to argue anything just to try and win an argument he knows he lost.

lol calling people names when you're too dumb to understand exponential growth of a disease isn't an apt comparison to having a shitty diet.

you being a fat loser isn't going to cause an out break of thousands of other fat losers.

Amazing how many people use these brain dead comparisons that show such a lack of common sense/understanding .

Also lol at a religious person commenting on no sex till marriage aren't you the fools that believe in that dumb ****. You follow rules made up about a sky monster by people who weren't aware bacteria existed.

I assume you're a couple decades older than me (I'm 35). I'm not afraid of dying of this, I'm afraid of living the rest of my life with reduced lung function because I wasn't patient enough to alter my ways and mostly stay inside for 18 months.

18 months versus the rest of your life.


Go ahead and call people like me 'pussies'. It sure adds value to your argument.

I don't think you realise that a bad diet can't "exponentially grow" anymore because it already affects 100% of the population lol

same as smoking and drinking

That's the point you guys are scared of a new risk that can potentially affect the whole population when there are already plenty of other risks that do more damage but you don't even bat an eye..

@me when obesity is contagious.

How many Obese people were there 100 years ago compared to now?

How many Obese people can break the cycle of food addiction? What about their kids?

How many supermarkets only serve products that are addictive?

You can only see "contagious" through a singular lens without looking at the bigger picture.

How many studies have existed promoting "healthy" food that resulted in more getting obese? (lol@scientists once again being paid to promote an unhealthy life steal with zero repercussions)

Contender for the most WTF? post itt - that's some achievement.

Here's a riddler for you, how do you know the vaccine doesn't reduce your permanent lung function or do some other long term damage to your body as well? The studies only tested immediate problems since they were on a 3 month time limit..

Australian researchers claim COVID-19 immunity lasts up to 8 months, giving real hope to the long-term protection of any vaccines.

https://www.monash.edu/medicine/news...o-eight-months

Preprint:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....17.20233544v1

Abstract:

Background

Lasting immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following infection is questioned because serum antibodies decline in convalescence. However, functional immunity is mediated by long-lived memory T and B (Bmem) cells.

Objective

To determine the longevity and immunophenotype of SARS-CoV-2-specific Bmem cells in COVID-19 patients.

Methods

Recombinant spike receptor binding domain (RBD) and nucleocapsid protein (NCP) were produced for ELISA-based serology, and biotinylated for fluorescent tetramer generation to identify SARS-CoV-2-specific Bmem cells by flow cytometry with a panel of 13 mAbs. 36 blood samples were obtained from 25 COVID-19 patients (11 paired) between 4-242 days post-symptom onset for detection of neutralizing antibodies, IgG serology and flow cytometry.

Results

The recombinant RBD and NCP were specifically recognized by serum IgG in all patients and reactivity declined >20 days post-symptom onset. All patients had detectable RBD- and NCP-specific Bmem cells at 8.23-267.6 cells/ml of blood (0.004-0.13% of B cells) regardless of sampling time. RBD- and NCP-specific Bmem cells predominantly expressed IgM or IgG1, with the latter formed slightly later than the former. RBD-specific IgG+ Bmem were predominantly CD27+, and numbers significantly correlated with circulating follicular helper T cell numbers.

Conclusion

RBD- and NCP-specific Bmem cells persisted for 8 months, indicating that the decline in serum antibodies after 1 month does not indicate waning of immunity but a contraction of the immune response. Flowcytometric detection of SARS-CoV-2-specific Bmem cells enables detection of long-term functional immunity following infection or vaccination for COVID-19.

This might all true and well (could also be plain wrong, its unfortunately unproveable afaik). Its just insane what kind of reactions you get if you dare to say "Well, we couldve done this better.". Thats all.

Like, in germany, f.e.:
1. Government says masks dont work.
2. Government mandates masks.
3. Government says, saying masks dont work, was a strategy so they could buy all the masks needed for the right persons.

But this is so ****ing wrong on so many levels...
For example the assumption that we live in a society were you cant openly communicate and expect people to behave socially in a "crisis"...
Or that, while they were saying masks dont work, they werent (officialy) working on getting masks, despite their (apparent) knowledge for the better.

Like, seriously, a society were you cant expect your 30 year olds to wear a scarf while we equip health workers and most vulnerable with proper masks firsts, is not a society I want to be a part of, honestly.

And Im ****ing pissed about being called a Nazi because I want a better society for the average Joe. Covid or Not. Especially when the Government officials spouts stuff like: The Authorities are not to be questioned! (Keep in mind, the same Authorities which just lied to you a few months ago about masks potentially saving your grandma...)

You should read it again and again then, until you understand what he means.

Obesity is absolutely contagious. Parents give it to their kids. Norms change toward eating more, and things like standard portion sizes become larger (compare the portion size in the US vs Europe for example). Fat people are less capable of doing extended exercise, which affects the amount of exercise people do as a social group. So yes, it's contagious.

More importantly, just like this pandemic getting out of hand, experts and "consensus science" were substantially at fault for it. In the 70s and 80s, mainstream consensus science, backed by overwhelming peer reviewed scientific research which was 100% wrong, came up with the following truths:

- Saturated fat is bad and causes heart disease and should be limited
- Trans fats (hydrogenated vegetable oils) are a great alternative.

This led to three outcomes

- Far lower enjoyment of food as people in radically changed their diets to avoid saturated fat
- Margarine (basically trans fats) was encouraged over butter and the intake of trans fat soared.
- Food manufacturers lowered fat levels and replaced it with trans fats and much higher sugar levels.

The above made people more miserable and their health substantially worse, creating the obesity epidemic and a wave of diabetes (people who are now being killed by covid).

So yes, just like covid, obesity is contagious and was mostly spread by expert incompetence.

When he calls you a "pussy", he's actually making the considered and wise philosophical argument that "mostly staying inside" for 18 months - a full 15% of your best years remaining at 35 - is a crazy thing to do when stacked up against a less 1 in 100 chance of noticable lung damage.

Let me put it this way. Imagine that covid never went away and you had a 1 in 100 chance every year of noticable lung damage (this is a meaningful possibility if it mutates like the cold does). Would you stay inside for the rest of your natural life?

Obesity is a non-communicable disease and heredity is not the same as contagious.

This is also mostly wrong and utterly misleading:

Replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats is probably a great idea.

How likely is it that a vaccine showing no side effects for two months then somehow pops up and reduces your permanent lung function?

I'll take my chances on that one.

There is decent evidence that this might not help with coronary risk and other non-communicable diseases. This is the most powerful meta-analysis, but there are other recent analyses will similar conclusions:

Association of Dietary, Circulating, and Supplement Fatty Acids With Coronary Risk: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis

Limiting fat consumption generally is probably a good idea, but the jury is out on the previous assumptions regarding saturated fats.

Any thoughts on Astrazeneca results?

Seems weird to announce that it's 90% effective with odd dosage of (half full/full) but with two full dosages its 70%. I hope that we get to choose which vaccine we are willing to take instead of just being fed this one.

It's a big deal given that compared to the alternatives it's cheaper and can be stored in a fridge.

OMFG. This is this forums thought leader. HAHAHAHAHAHA.


Marking this down now for posterity and to requote a thousand times every time this guy calls anyone else an idiot.

And before anyone wants to defend him does any one want to take a bet at 10:1 odds that you cannot defend that statement as accurate or true? I am down for that bet, money in escrow and all.

FLOL. The depths of stupidity from this guy.

Anyway you can expect him now that it is pointed out and he might comprehend his error, to start to pivot, caveat and try to rationalize why that statement is right while backing away from it. Mark these words down now.

You're showing a very fundamental inability to discuss anything intelligently with this response.
Thanks for proving that you hold forth without a clue of what you're talking about. Here's Harvard Medical School confirming exactly what I said:
It is neither wrong nor misleading, it is 100% accurate. Consensus science, all Western health experts in now-obese countries, recommended switching from non-harmful saturated fat to extremely harmful transfat. This was consensus public policy and what doctors recommended to hundreds of millions of people. Like corona, the experts botched it horribly with terrible public health effects.

Thanks for outing yourself as a moron who doesn't know basic widely known facts about public health.

ZOMG he is still arguing obesity is contagious and people who disagree are the ones who are not intelligent.

Amazingly, you missed the very next sentence in this article out:

So the very article you posted to support your argument, actually debunks your entire argument. Just because some poorly informed nutritionists and researchers recommended margarine instead of butter, this does not constitute "overwhelming peer reviewed scientific research".

Obesity is not "contagious" in the same sense that a virus is contagious, but that is obviously not the precise sense in which TS was using it, as was blindingly obvious from his post. I would have phrased it differently, but the post was entirely coherent to those of who are not in a constant rage towards TS.

The public health authorities absolutely had the wrong idea about saturated fat versus trans fats. How can that possibly even be controversial?

It wasn't really public health experts as much as it was the sugar industry funding "studies" and pushing fat-free, sugar-laden foods as healthy. Was definitely never consensus science, lol @ tooth making **** up again

But this is a fact-free safe space, so carry on