Yep.

I mean, harsh lockdowns will always work. Anything short of that is an open question and probably depends more on population behavior and existing immunity more than anything. Much of the US for example won't need to lock down because of this high impact summer immunity burn through, which has been highly effective at vaccinating the worst spreader nodes.
Yeah it's not really possible imo. Best strategies:

1. Be somewhere with high immunity rates from summer burn through
2. Wear an N95 mask and glasses/goggles when you're out in public in winter
3. Go somewhere warm

I'm personally going to be fleeing Europe for the States and maybe Costa Rica

Also, what is the current consensus on best practice for drug/antibody treatment, if there is one now? thanks ;-)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sweden never had a lockdown that was ever comparable to the UKs and conflating their approach is beyond ridiculous.

Below shows the whole picture of USA cases per million rolling average from day 1.

Anyone arguing that there "might" have been an uptick in cases from the low from peak on Sep 13th really needs to sit down and think about there super obvious to everyone cognitive biases.

Also whilst we are on the subject,

UK can never be used as example of lockdowns or X strategy does not work, because X strategy has been an absolutely massive cluster **** of implementation from day 1.

Any strategy is mooted if its implementation is absolutely incompetent as has been the case in the UK.

The USA will also move up in 4 weeks, how will the EU death rate move over the US death rate in 4 weeks, when currently there are more new infections in USA than in EU? Why doesn't the EU need to move above the USA for your theory to come true?

Oh shut up. Belgium is first because our (1) wave 1 was terrible and (2) we are the only country in the world who count as many deaths as we do. We are not even first in Europe in excess death, and you know that, but that doesn't fit your narrative to attack me.
If EU regains control in the coming weeks & Winter, it is guaranteed that USA will catch up to Belgium. What will you say then?

You keep saying everything is R while R is lower in USA because the infection is more widely spread. It's comical. You keep hammering on this. EU has now been increasing for weeks but still hasn't caught up with the infection rate of the USA. I do think EU will catch up with USA for a little bit, but with the difference that we will get it down again in a few weeks. USA has no real hope under current assumptions.


R is not more important than initial infection base. R is more important long-term, of course. If R is high action is needed. Why is R so much better off in USA right now? R is clearly >1 and increasing in USA, it's not hard to see. The herd immunity crap you keep spouting is bull **** and we'll see what happens in Winter. The trend of the last few weeks certainly is not positive.

The stupidity here from otherwise moderately intelligent people is incredible.
You still think this even though your country looks like the below? What incredible denial. The US is kicking the **** out of Beligum because stable R >>>> initial infection base, and you're still maintaining that R is not more important than the initial infection base? Really?



Using your own logic from earlier, your leaders are clearly incompetent assclowns/losers far worse than Donald Trump. I mean look at that graph! From near zero bought with harsh prolonged lockdowns to over double the rate of the US in 8 weeks. All while wearing masks and "listening to the science". Aren't you glad Belgium is managing corona so well, unlike the awful Trump USA? LOL.

Corona be like:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I know you only posted that nonsense to try and TRIGGER THE LIBS, but I think it's hilarious how you just can't help say insanely stupid **** to try and create a political argument.

Trump is a very healthy man for his age, incredible energy and stamina. I'm not even sure how anyone could disagree with that. And the early antibodies he got are at the very early end of the curve and show a good immune response.

But it looks like he was hit hard by corona and is happy to be frank about that:
Trump himself has spoken candidly about this on Rush Limbaugh recently. He credits the drugs. Read the whole thing if you want, but here are the key bits:

So it seems pretty clear from this that he was in a bad way, rapidly declining and that Regeneron is the reason he immediately recovered. It's being fast tracked to all hospitals.

If the mainstream media was less severely gone in the head, this would be a big story.

I am pretty sure that the percentage of people over 70 who get coronavirus and don't get really sick from it is around 95 percent. And that a lot of the really serious cases come from nursing homes, which have their own dynamic.

So I wouldn't call Trump lucky. No one has died from the White House cluster, and I think only one person is seriously ill. So out of 34 cases, only one is serious, which seems to be right where that number should be given the age range of the people infected.

The drugs he took may have had some effect, but it's almost impossible to tell since no one knows if they helped, hurt or didn't have any effect at all on his own immune response to the pathogen.

I do know that big pharma is extremely happy right now because the moAb market is going to get huge, and that is a license for them to print money. They love those treatments because they are really expensive and have minor side effects. The problem is that their efficacy is very difficult to determine until you get a really large sample size, but the only way you do that is to start pumping it into large groups of people, which is now likely to happen.

So why hasn't Crede Bailey had the same miraculous recovery?

Maybe google him and get back to me.

Nowhere in my post did I say Belgium was currently in better shape than USA. Comparing Belgium to USA is not that relevant, Belgium is more like a crowded US state than USA. Comparing Europe or EU to USA is a much better metric. Both Europe & EU will most likely catch up to USA in new cases per day in the next week, but we are still below USA rn. Which was my point and you ignored.

I have said itt before that Europe and Belgium specifically did stupid things in August & September, and we are now paying the price for that. The difference is that Europe & Belgium are trying to resolve it, though to be fair in a flawed way since they want to protect the economy. USA leadership is basically "live, love, laugh, wash your hands". The new EU wave is worse than I anticipated (who was saying end of August we're in trouble), it's really bad. But major measures are active across Europe now, and more will follow if things don't get under control.

USA is guaranteed to still look bad in a month or 2 months, unless drastic changes happen.

At least if Trump loses in November you can start blaming his loss for things spinning out of control, which they will be.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...1b297731c3da74

Coronavirus: WHO backflips on virus stance by condemning lockdowns

Is that legit though? I've seen it on exactly two sites, and less than reputable ones.

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David Sklansky literally asked about Trump's health and how it factored into his recovery, you illiterate buffoon.

Sklansky's post was not political, you stupid twisted bag of attention-seeking ****.

How do you put someone on Ignore? Not in the FAQ and I don't see the option when I view a member's profile.

User Lists on the profile.

This isnt hard. Every place that has gotten complacent and started opening up indoor activities has seen a spike in cases.

i believe its a mix of all four and the fact that hes been taking hydroxychloroquine ( if you remove the politics) from what ive read its mostly a zinc ionophore and the relationship of zinc and d3 and how poorly people do with covid who are deficient vitamin d. That and having access to probably top notch healthcare his whole life which probably put him in a less compromised state going into it. also maybe he eats healthier than he leads on but i doubt it. also cross immunities maybe he was fortunate to already have something similar to covid 19 enough to see cross immunities.

There have been a tremendous number of studies on HCQ of varying quality (I am not going to pretend I'm anything but a layman on judging a study's quality). It has been looked at probably more than any other drug to date for this disease. This is a small collection of results from the last week alone

https://nieuws.kuleuven.be/en/conten...vipiravir-does

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipelin...0/09/hard-data

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022926

We can talk about early intervention RCTs too, with or without zinc, since this is what so many people claimed was needed

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...aa1009/5872589

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....15.20151852v1

There's.just.nothing.there. I am not aware of a country continuing to use it prevalently as part of standard of care anymore. Spain was one of the last holdouts and they have also stopped

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ad/3311483001/

The hard data on Remdesivir also proves it's a pretty modest benefit- something but not much. Not even close to the game changer it was touted to be.

When he said (remove the politics) what he actually meant was (remove the science).

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