Sweden's economy declined -8% in the last quarter. More than any of its lock down neighbours.

Sweden is not doing anything different to them now, when it counted back it did, and thats when it racked up the massively higher DPM than Norway, Finland and Denmark.

We did this already but Sweden slappies only have one hill to die on.

Your post #9609 had 0 mention about the economy.

It was 100% about death rates and infections.

And now you want to talk about the economy of Sweden after I effortlessly dumpster your argument about death rates.

How can someone look at data between March and present day, and loop it all together in aggregate? You don't know how to read data do you?

Now we talk economy since Sweden is an absolute disaster according to O.A.F.K.1.1.

2nd quarter Contractions:

Norway: 6.3%
Denmark: 7.4%
Finland: 3.2%

Sweden: 8.6%

Rest of European Union: 11.9%


Verdict: Considering COVID was the worst pandemic since the Spanish Flu, and lost a statistically irrelevant number of people, Sweden will be absolutely fine.

You're acting like masks would have had a substantial protective effect (this false sense of security is one of the danger of masks). They don't. The science says they don't make a lot of difference, which is why the CDC for months said not to wear one, and the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons still actively advises against it:
From the same page:



Bottom line: you're a partisan political science denier trying and score cheap political points because you're seriously deranged with Trump hate. It's sad and pathetic. People like YOU help spread the virus by pretending that masks would protect people at this stage of the spread. They don't. It would have made close to zero difference if Trump had worn masks or everyone around him had. The odds would have barely shifted.

So: STFU, learnt the science, and stop the cheap point scoring. It's sad.

It was hilarious watching you squirm when I pointed out that the US had lost the same "statistically irrelevant number of people" as Sweden. You want to replay that? You have to pick one or the other:

- Both Sweden and the US (at 200K deaths) have lost "a statistically irrelevant number of people" and thus all this hyperventilating about how bad the US is doing is BS OR

- Both the US and Swedish deaths are meaningfully undesirable.

Wait, so you're claiming that he wasn't supposed to quarantine after learning he'd come in close contact with a covid-positive person?

And yes, I believe masks and social distancing work. You don't? You don't think it matters if he shows up unmasked AND also shakes hands, stands close and speaks within just feet of other people at an indoor fundraising event?

By the way, I won't insult you and call you names in order to make my points. I would ask you to do the same with me, otherwise I don't see the point of engaging in any direct conversation.

Government and an election can't shut down because of a positive contact, considering that a president shares rooms with hundreds of people a day.

I'm simply quoting the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons. Did you even read the page or just here to spray antiscientific Trump hate like a lunatic? You're basically Cuepee with a better vocabulary.

Social distancing works. But you were being anti-science ranting about things would have been different if Trump wore a mask. No, they wouldn't. That's just your hate getting the better of rationality.

He's been doing this for months and the first person he caught it from was a close contact.

The business of government and an election has to go on. The president can't quarantine for 14 days every time someone in his large entourage/contacts tests positive for covid. This would be obvious if you weren't filled with anti scientific hateful bile.

You're basically a less frequently posting Cuepee - unscientific, irrational, obsessed with Trump. Respect others by keeping your irrational political hate-spew out of this thread and people will respond in kind.

He spent a lot of time in very close contact with Hope Hicks, and thus I think some better judgment was warranted. Also, either changing the indoor venue to an outdoor venue or even cancelling the fundraiser would have been more than warranted given the circumstances.

I don't consider it spewing hateful bile to say that he behaved recklessly, irresponsibly, and that the direct outcomes of his administration's actions will have made a lot of people sicker than they needed to be.

Firstly, I think my viewpoint being "irrational political hate-spew" is an opinion not everyone may share with you, although I am sure some do.

You telling me to take my views elsewhere is a non-starter, as I could just tell you to do the same. I have not, and would not. In fact, in the past, I asked you to come back to this thread when you'd left.

And I have never labeled you or hurled personal insults at you, despite the fact that I disagree deeply with the vast majority of your stated beliefs.

Just block him. Its not worth it. A complete waste of time.

No but this one did.

what the **** are you on? I am merely continuing the central thesis of my argument against Sweden Slapies, who can have a stone cold factual nuking of their argument yet keep on keeping on because rationality, facts and reason are absolutely secondary to their emotional ideological motivations.

The Facts= Sweden much much more deaths + More economic damage than their geographic peers, the most relevant countries to compare them too.

These are the guys whose policy response you are championing.

You are absurd and ridiculous. You are pissing into the gale of reality.

Why? Because I don't agree with the ******ed anti-science thought free pure politics you both bring into this thread? Look at this unhinged triumphalism:

This is completely detached from reality both scientifically (masks barely make a difference as the America Association of Physicians has amply laid out) and practically (you can't halt the presidency for 14 days every time someone close tests positive; socially distancing as a president is pretty impractical which is why so many leaders have gotten it despite best efforts).

The anti-Trump crazies like gorvnice and you are the waste of time. His response says it all too - rather than engage on facts and do a mea culpa (he was 100% wrong in the entire post), he tries to deflect. A pure clown.

There's a politics thread for you idiots where can offload your two minutes hate. This thread is for people who aren't irrational idiots who want to understand what corona is doing and why. As a contributor to that I've made you a lot of money, WorldBoFree.

I already addressed this.

Every single day for the last 3 months US has been losing 700-1000 people on average and it won't stop any time soon.

Every single day for the last 3 months Sweden has lost 2-3 people per day and has it under control.

So to say they are the same for the last 6 months is not true, since for the last 3 months, the US is running at 10x worst than Sweden rate wise.


Sweden loss 6000, population of 10M. And on pace of 2-3 deaths for last 3 months. Sweden's outlook > USA's outlook.

And just to add, 6000 people dead is undesirable, but if its 6000 people over 2-3 months and only 2-3 people dead afterwards, that's acceptable and "not bad" considering how to pandemic effected the entire world.

Well you convinced yourself back in April that what Sweden was doing was absolutely calamitous, disastrous, bla bla bla.

End result, not calamitous. And will be fine in the future.


Is 6000 deaths undesirable? Of course it is. But given the fact they have a minimum death amount the last 4 months, they got out of it with a nosebleed. Now you are calling that nosebleed a calamity because their neighbour got out with a scratch.

LMFAO. You have the audacity to call someone else partisan while you cite the ****ing AAPS, a conservative group which has argued:

I'm sure we should trust the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons just because it has the word 'physician' in it? Lmao at you forever and always Tooth

I guess there's a reason everyone says to just put you on ignore. You constantly project your own fallacious arguments while bloviating wall after wall of text... it's insufferable

This was my entertainment for the day. Thanks for the laugh

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/...371249665?s=20

Yet despite this, Democrats are overwhelming the spreaders of corona. Care to explain why that is, WorldBoFree? You can't. You're completely, horribly irrational on this topic.
Actually it's only politics posters with zero worth in this thread (such as yourself) that want me on ignore.

As for masks, the CDC advised against for months and the WHO for even longer. The data linked speaks for itself, at least over summer. They're close to worthless when worn by the population over a long period of time.

The current WHO advice says:

Masks have very little utility in summer conditions. The cases soaring in Europe with the universal indoor mask mandate in most countries is plenty of real world data that masks do very little.

Not going to respond about your use of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons as a source? LOL

The fact that you call other people partisan while citing sources like the AAPS is such a hilarious fail I'm going to struggle to stop bringing it up anytime you project your partisanship on others.

There's nothing to respond to. Things you list as crazy are in fact settled science (gay men have lower life expectancy for example), but this isn't the place to discuss it. The WHO says the same on masks. So did the CDC for months. The AAPS has a fantastic list of the evidence which I linked. Masks might - might - be helpful to a small degree but the level of help is small (if any and possibly negative) for prolonged usage and it's not even a moderate factor in stopping spread. Thus gorvnice is simply wrong.

Ah, so you agree that:

The AAPS is an ultra-conservative organization which is not taken seriously in either the medical or scientific communities. Though it does not surprise me that you cite and defend them as if they aren't a fringe group of quacks.

(By the way, gay men having lower life expectancy due to societal factors is not the same as saying "being gay reduces life expectancy" you ****ing dunce)

"Due to societal factors?" It's due mostly to the consequences of anal sex, not "societal factors". lol @ having strong opinions on stuff you don't even understand the basics of.

You could be discussing masks and their evidence (i.e. relevant to this thread) on which I'm correct of course (and gorvnice wrong), but because you're a politics forum loser you're choosing to obfuscate, lie and throw out red herrings instead.

Yes, due to societal factors. This isn't the place to get into a debate about anal sex.

I was simply pointing out that your sources are ultra-right wing, conservative quacks. But now according to you it's a red herring to analyze the sources you use... alright then, keep citing quacks who believe HIV doesn't cause aids and abortions cause breast cancer and expect us to just accept it as if they are in any way credible. LOL @ you forever and always Tooth

Their neighbours can combine their DPM double it and still be behind Sweden and Sweden had more economic damage.

That is a policy failure, and arguing it is in fact a triumph and to be emulated is absolute clear cut cognitive dissonance, and thats being kind.

In what way did Sweden succeed relative to its lockdown neighbours?

Deaths = Big nope
Economic damage = nope.

Remember we are not just arbitrarily comparing Sweden to its neighbours, its the best way to ascertain how it played the hand it was dealt and what happens if you play that way with worse hands. If you have a worst hand you obviously want to play Norway style not Sweden Style.

6000 deaths is a significant amount in a country where only 80K die a year, Its 600 deaths if the they have Finland's DPM, and the year is not even remotely close to over yet if we are going 12 months since first death.

Like I said, don't bother. Dude is an absolute clown.