This is one of many you quoted for T Cell theory:
Your theory for Texas was that cases were dropping because they were herd immune at 20% (T Cells providing the rest of the immunity).

You yourself have stated multiple times that the T cells provide immunity at 20% enough to stop a second wave:
Now you're lying about what you said because the theory has been destroyed by facts. And I think you actually realize that now by your last response. No one lies about their previous position like you are unless you know it's been disproven.

Fine. You don't ever have to think about T cells again. Obviously data from Manaus, a city in the middle of the Amazon, can be extrapolated to the world at large. Obviously it disproves t cell immunity. Obviously what happens in Manaus is going to be the same everywhere.

But outside of this thread, no one is making the points TS is making to disprove T cell immunity. And if TS tried to make these points outside of this thread, he would be laughed out of any conversation.

The reality is that no one knows whether T cells offer any immunity or, even if they do, they lower the threshold for herd immunity. And certainly you can't believe that TS is smarter than some of the world's leading scientists. But if you do, fine.

What is the obvious 'why'?

Here is an opinion piece in Bloomberg about herd immunity possibly being much lower than previously thought. This isn't some theory being shared by me on this message board and nowhere else. It's a pretty mainstream idea that is gaining more attention by the day.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...?sref=uN6cur8D

It's partly about softening us up. As per the conversation back in March/April, the UK government cannot do very much without the consent of the people and sadly they have messed up too much to go straight for what is needed.

The rest is because of so much pressure from the 'we must open the economy brigade'. Rightly or wrongly (very wrongly in my view) there are far too many of them for Boris to just ignore even though I think he is strongly inclined to.

That's not quite true.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/w...-by-government

This. it's very hard for all sorts of reasons. One, among many, is that so many people who died caught the disease in hospital and so will be correlated with the conditions that put you in hospital.

Dont be an a neadanthal may be good advice.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/...9-study-claims

Sweden averaging about 1 death a day for about 2 weeks now.

Headline for click bait, but much ado about nothing.

C'mon. The rise in deaths lag the cases.

If we wait for the deaths to rise to worrying levels then we know it's too late to stop the avalanche.

Trump and Melania just announced they tested positive. This is a big moment. If they end up being fine and shake it off like it's nothing, things will go in one direction. If one of them dies, shutdown for life!

He will have the best medical care money can buy so I think his prognosis will be much better than average for his [x].

You tried to scare your friends by saying millions in the US will die over the next 6 months. That means you need the death rate to go from 700 a day to about over 7000 a day or 10 000 a day. I can understand if headlines can easily make you scared.

7 months ago when we were clueless you could have scared me with a link like that.

Today when we have actual numbers and data.

Yeah of course I've heard the "deaths will explode in 14 days" statement of fact / fear mongering months ago when it spiked in the US. Death rates didn't sky rocket and daily death rates (as high as they are) remain in the US statistically insignificant. Also amongst a carefree IDGAF population still not wearing masks. Swedish olds are much more responsible.

The death rates will be even less statistically significant in Sweden.

The olds in Sweden don't act like the olds in the USA.

It wont matter if they are fine or not. The stories of how they recklessly refused to wear masks and exposed other healthy people to the virus after knowing about Hope Hicks's positive result will haunt them.

Trump attended a fundraiser after knowing about Hicks, and others in his group interacted with press, etc, all without masks and all while knowing they had exposure to a positive person.

In 2018 2.8M people died in the USA.

C19 has not done a full year yet, 212K deaths so only 70K to go to be 10% of that number.

Something that achieves 7-10% of total mortality is a long way from being statistically insignificant.

Its killed ~6.7% of Swedens 2019 total mortality which was 88K.

Like 99% they don't show any symptoms right?

World o Meters reporting 5 deaths in latest update.

Already being reported he has cold like symptoms. So he is not a symptomatic, and he is also a high risk candidate given age and obesity.

^ Wow okay, thx. Yeah, he def falls in the high risk category. Imagine if Biden has it too...

I've noticed that Worldometers reports 5 deaths for Sweden most days, but then when you check the graph the next day, it's revised to one or two deaths. I don't know if it's a glitch or what.

Oh my God.

Daily death rates in the first 2 months have no comparison significance on death rates today and the future.

The entire 1st world population of olds is not interacting socially the same way anymore post summer 2020 compared to March 2020.
This disease is predominantly an old person killer in aggregate.

So Sweden has nothing to panic over. Sweden needs to continue doing what its been doing the last 4 months, and continue doing it another 6-8 months until a vaccine comes.

And all 1st world countries are doing this now. Opened the economies back up as they should, keep it opened, manage life with corona, and stop panicking.

People should stop obsessing over Sweden. It's a quite small country, pretty different from central/southern Europe, and even more different from North America. No shutdowns is less restrictive than shutdowns, but it's a concensus culture with high trust in government and media, so when government leaders and experts ask people to take measures to decrease spread of the disease, it will have a bigger effect than in many other countries.

With that said, the Swedish population is susceptible to the same fallacies as other European populations right now, the spread has been low for a while and people are tired of restrained social contact, so behaviour changes in ways that lead to a resurgence in cases. Given the lag from spread of the disease to death numbers ticking up, I think we are looking at a decent sized second wave in Sweden in the coming months.

I also read the other day that Sweden has a very high percentage of 1 person households, which makes the virus spread a lot less because so much transmission is done within the home.

That secondary story is not yet penetrating but should be the headline story. He knew he was with her, unmasked, indoors for days doing debate prep. He knew he she tested positive before going to the fundraiser. He knew he wasn't feeling well and went anyway and had up close interactions with many people, unmasked- which of course are primarily older men.

I truly hope he and anyone else involved who tests + makes a complete recovery. But this is the very definition of recklessly playing with others' lives and he deserves the condemnation coming his way, just like anyone else would.

So many people's entire amateur hour theories hinge solely on Sweden so they aren't going to give it up.