Im out anyway.

Its obviously a complete waste of breath and valuable time discussing any subject with someone who has to have the absolute total vacuum of self awareness not to see that they think the Mail and Sun are fine purely because they corroborate personal biases.

stay cautious imo

What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving

https://www.sfgate.com/science/artic...edium=referral

There is virtually no data, and what data you do present is clearly cherry-picked to support your argument.

Furthermore, your argument is so vague and poorly constructed you have a hard time trying to guess what position you are trying to support - Your arguments above could plausably be presented to highlight inequality or morality in the US.

Okay, you're definitely reading The Sun and The Daily Mail to arrive at these scorching hot takes.

Asked on June 23 whether he was kidding about slowing coronavirus testing to lower the number of cases, President Trump said, “I don’t kid.” Link

He jokes all the time. That itself was a joke. I swear everyone who hates Trump doesn't get a wry sense of humor.

Back on track now that the TDS crazies are sufficiently triggered (and wrong):

California reports 6,652 new cases today, a record

CNBC tweets
22 states are climbing in cases from a first wave starting up again that never ended.

Trump is always joking. Except when he's a genius. But when he's wrong or dangerously misinformed, it was just a joke. It's so obvious. And if you didn't get it, you're an idiot.

Remember when Trump did the whole "they should see if we can inject disinfectant to cure Corona" then conservatives like Ben Shapiro said, "Oh he was just kidding." Then Trump said, "No I wasn't." That was fun too

Such a wry sense of humor.

My friend's Dad, who I've known for 30 years, lives in "The Village" in Florida. It's a massive retirement community with like 6 golf courses or some **** and a bunch of restaurants and bars. All the bars are packed with hookers from outside going after the sugar daddies. He ended up marrying one of the young sluts for his 3rd wife. Good for him!
The place is one big senior citizen orgy. Good on them.

I'm trying to mostly avoid the political stuff but the 'not getting jokes' is a very odd thing that it's hard not to mainly see as a rhetorical device.

However although I don't really do hate and I recognise the jokes, trump is ****ing awful imo.

This thread is losing steam and has become a bunch of petty semantics arguments.

Tooth is right about Americans being more sexually active than Europeans. And it's because American women are more open-minded about having casual sex with many men. In Europe, this is much less common. Not to mention there is nothing in Europe that comes close to the American college experience.

But, I am not sure Tinder is the best proxy for this as Americans are more open to dating apps than Europeans. (Another sign European women are more traditional and conservative than American women.)

I do wish Tooth, like Trump, would concede a few points. Like wearing masks. Everything we have heard says it slows the spread. Trump failed us all by not emphasizing its importance. His pride has now gotten in the way and he refuses to change his mind. That is a sign of a bad leader. People have unfairly blamed him for everything under the sun but his handling of the coronavirus deserves some blame.

Better leadership could have saved thousands of lives. I don't think that's really debatable. Sure, the CCP, WHO, CDC and Fauci made some huge high leverage mistakes. But, Trump made mistakes, too.

Can we just move on so Tooth can continue to crush with his objective analysis?

It's not that deep

Trump's very behavior makes it impossible to deny he's handling this crisis well

This can absolutely be true even if most of what ToothSayer himself says is also true

His first post after mine asked for evidence about something, literally ignoring that I laid out the first and most obvious piece of evidence right off the bat to answer that question already

He is now citing the US Sun (a tabloid) and the Daily Mail (another tabloid) which is definitely going to make people have a hard time taking him seriously, no matter what he's arguing

The Daily Mail article is especially funny to me, because I know people, personally, who actually live there. The Villages is a retiree community in Florida, comprised largely of wealthy Trump supporters. It really isn't representative of much of anything lol...least of all the sexual activity of the elderly. I mean this is just too hilarious on a personal level. My mother and stepfather visited there as part of their vacation last year. I guess I should've asked them how their orgies went. ctfu

I get why others react to him the way they do, but I'm just pointing out what I see. I mean he brings it on himself but at least I can read his posts and note that while yes he is off the mark about things, the rest of his post is pretty spot on and not really off the mark at all. In fact people might learn a few things in between the rage posts in response...

On the particular point that Trump screwed up Covid-19 response, there is no argument left.

Trump openly admitted he wanted fewer tests.

He disbanded the pandemic task force that he inherited. The task force was formed in response to ebola, avian flu, swine flu, MERS, nd SARS breakouts making it clear it was a matter of time a Covid-19 (or worse) was going to hit at some point.

Under his watch, FDA and CDC were slow to act, likely due to lack of a centralized pandemic task force.

He openly peddled conspiracy theories with no basis in fact.

He pushed detergent and hydroxychloroquine against common sense and medical advice, creating confusion and likely causing death.

He refused to wear masks, leading by example, even as scientific consensus changed.

He's actively seeking out giant gatherings that will almost certainly kill people.

Even with the 10000000000% charitable interpretation that he was joking with the most asinine ideas (he said he was not joking with many of the "jokes"), he still screwed up by creating foreseeable confusion.

grizy, Trump saying he asked for fewer tests was 100% a joke. It is funny in a vacuum but it is a ridiculous thing for a President to say especially when > 100,000 people have died.

But, it's equally ridiculous to take his comment literally.

Stick to rational reasoning. There is enough there to bash Trump for how he's handled this.

Yesterday, June 23rd, 3 days after Tulsa rally.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbre.../#1fe675855b69

"President Trump doubled down on his claim that case numbers are rising in the U.S. because of increased testing, and said he wasn’t joking when he said during a rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma on Saturday that he told officials to slow down testing, one day after the White House insisted the president was speaking in “jest.”

Again, even taking a trillion steps back to say he really was speaking in jest, then my question is... "Is 100,000+ Americans dead a joke to you?"

gaslighting the nation on whether to test more or less of a deadly virus to own the libs

NY, NJ, and CT issued travel advisory. People coming from hot spots (defined as 10/100,000 on 7 day rolling average or 10% of total population positive on 7 day rolling average) will be required to undergo a 14-day quarantine.

States that fit the definition of hot spots:
Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Washington, Utah and Texas.

On an anecdotal level, in Colorado plenty of Trump voters are wearing masks, but no mask = Trump voter is about 100%.

people are too stupid to stay safe, so they might get forced back into lockdown, yes/no?

QFT

IMO not until you reach Italy levels of pain where people are being turned away at the hospital to go home and die on their own and there is no guarantee that will happen as NYC and London both avoided it. We'll let Fla, Az, Texas be the canaries in the coalmine.

not like we have very many elderly at risk people in FL, AZ, TX.

Tooth was right one time in this thread, which was very important, when he said the market would crash.

He's been wrong about literally everything since.

How's that death rate?

That's not really fair. He can only go by the data that experts provide.

Yep, that's the exactly correct take. How people don't get this is beyond me.

Could you be specific ie. make a positive assertion about death rate, with data/evidence, rather than merely saying x or y poster is wrong? What is your take on the rate?