https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0NhA4oBGuc&t=95s

It's political for both sides. I agree though in that as the virus grows and infects more people, people in the south will take it more seriously. As of right now less then 2% of all Americans have been infected, the virus has not spread enough for people in the U.S. to actually see the effects within there own families.

Let's continue with that quote from your link:

So let's get this straight. On Feb 25th, when there were thousands of cases in the US spreading to tens of thousands, the official take of the world's peak expert infectious diseases body was: "COVID-19 is not recognized to be spreading in the US".

As if that's not bad enough, these worthless dickheads then botched the tests through a comical cascade of expert errors, and then took weeks to realize the tests were botched, while preventing private industry from working on their own tests through longstanding socialist bureaucratic procedure, such that the US sat with their dick in their hand for a month, completely unable to track, trace and contain any outbreaks, or even know what they were dealing with, virtually guaranteeing a major spread and making politicians unable to act decisively from pure lack of data.

You're trying to tell me these worthless morons are competent? And that the CDC were just fine and doing a great job, but Trump's messaging, based on CDC advice that "it's not spreading in the US", was the real problem?

Like I said, the data conclusively shows where the errors and fault lies - and it's exactly where I say it does: with experts and not politicians. It's not like this cockup just happened in the US. Read through the UK SAGE working group's consensus opinions if you want to see a true cuckshow of peak expert incompetence. Look at what the WHO did and said. You couldn't get a clearer case of total unforgivable incompetence among expert groups that directly caused this pandemic.

So, whats the consesus on data about outdoor spread? Are there any known cases or studies that link back to outdoor spread yet? I was betting on the protests not causing an up tick in cases because of this, but still unsure.

Would be interested in specific behavior spread rates as well. Total guess numbers from me with nothing to back them up:

98% Deep kiss
90% Shared bowl of soup/coughed into buffet or drink
75% Shared day in the same room
20% Hour long car ride
15% Close 5 minute conversation
2% Doorknob/elevator button without washing
.1% Walking past someone outside

Yeah I came up with similar numbers earlier in the thread. I think your 75% is way too high, or R0 would be higher. Remember that the average person going about their life normally infects only 3 people during their entire 14 day infection period. And one of those is nearly certain to be a sexual partner. So the rates are quite to very low for more frequent activities (sharing a subway car or an indoor space, chatting).

5-15% for a prolonged close conversation seems right, the "same room all day" is probably around the same rate
Protests don't matter a huge amount. A few hundred thousand weirdos outdoors together doesn't compare to 330 million normal people going about their normal lives. Close contact (especially promiscuity), time spent indoors and socially in prolonged close contact with others is the main thing that matters.

No. I am not defending the CDC. I'm saying that it this situation, the head of the Executive Department of the USA is a "worthless moron". The CDC's position to him and the nation was "Covid-19 is a serious public health threat". Somehow in his mind that jumped to "When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero..." and that brings into serious question the leadership at the top.

Then why did you quote Trump in response to my comment on the CDC?
"Irrelevant" is the key word, regardless of who it is. Trump could have said corona was a good thing to get, and it would have made no difference. You're just mad at Trump because you're a crazy person on this topic; nothing Trump (or anyone else) said or did mattered when the experts were screwing up the analysis ("no community spread in the US!"), screwing up the tests for weeks so there was no actionable intelligence and no testing and tracing and isolation strategy possible, screwing up the advice ("we recommend not wearing masks unless sick!" - and yes the assclowns at the CDC said that)

FYP. You know they said the same about H1N1, right? And it ravaged the US while Obama failed to stop it. That it turned out to be not very deadly was more luck than anything, because Obama failed to do anything meaningful to stop it. This blame game is so dumb, except where it belongs: the experts. I guarantee you that if Obama was in charge, or Bush, or anyone really, the outcome would have been the same. And we can see that quite clearly: all of Western Europe got screwed by this. You going to blame Italy and Spain and the UK and Sweden and France and Belgium leaders (all much higher death rates than the US) on Trump as well? Get a grip.
The advice he was given was that there is no community spread in the US and that they were well on top of containing the outbreaks that had happened (about 15 people at that point). This is again the experts screwing it up, sorry.

I mean here's the CDC that day, from your link, falsely claiming they were and could aggressively contain it:
They thought this because they were such incompetent morons they thought there was no community transmission in the US and that they were on top of it (hello:visibility bias):
Trump followed their advice and their take, which is his job.

Had they said "Precautionary measures need to be taken now" or "there is probably substantial uncaught spread and distancing measures should be implemented immediately", and Trump said otherwise, then he could be to blame. But here he's straight following stated expert advice (which was wrong).

And yet more comical incompetence:
$40 billion a year spent on the NIH and $6 billion/year on the CDC and they don't have hard data (obtained by cheap high school level experiments) on the spread of coronaviruses through droplets, aerosols and surfaces, on whether masks stop spread, and so on. A basic function that all the experts failed to do despite hundreds of billions of dollars over the years. Instead these cucks were traipsing around the world through jungles collecting animals to get viruses from to catalog (also see: the Wuhan lab which was collecting coronaviruses then got attacked and peed on by these novel corona-infected bats) because it's more fun than doing basic physics experiments which can actually provide useful data for a pandemic response when an actual pandemic arrives.

"coronavirus will ‘miraculously’ be gone by April ‘once the weather warms up"





I'm pretty sure you won't be able to find any posts of mine on this topic that will lead anyone to conclude I'm a "crazy person".



Also, it's good to know Trump is irrelevant.

ToothSayer, are you the smartest person to use "cuck" in a sentence? Or is there someone smarter than you?

Serious question.

I'm specifically asking about known data for OUTDOOR spread.

I can speculate as well as any of the weirdos in this thread. I don't need help doing that.

So is the risk to someone in their 30’s still around 5%?
(And by risk I mean having to be hospitalized, death, long term lung damage, etc.). Basically something that will severely impact your life. Not just a “minor cold” etc.

Who is this someone? Are they healthy, overweight? You mean average overall? American?

Will it impact your life if you spread it to older relatives?

"He started it," shouted every nine-year-old boy flailing away at his opponent.

Healthy 36 year old male. Non smoker, no preexisting conditions.

Edited to add: 5’8” 175 pounds. Exercise daily.

They are already dead lol. Smoking got all 4 of them first.

So no.

I live in northern Idaho and everyone thinks it’s a joke, no one wears a mask, and I’ve been quarantined since feb and am about to just say **** it, if everyone else doesn’t care why the hell should I since I’m super low risk. (Exactly how low risk I am will determine if I continue to quarantine or just mask and live a semi normal life)

I didn't bring politics in. You did.

I was critiquing the CDC without mentioning Trump, Obama or any political party. You brought Obama and politics up because you just can't help yourself. Then, as usual, you devolve into personal attacks once you're made to look foolish.

Tooth was praising Trump for his quick response to Corona. I simply responded that he is clearly attempting to rewrite history, because we know Trump did not take Corona seriously or respond quickly to it, based on verifiable data like things Trump said and did. It's not politarding to praise Trump for things he didn't do but it is politarding to point out obvious lies?

Ah, so when you said the "experts" were warning of an epidemic, you meant experts from other countries, not the US. Can you make a list of what countries have the experts we should listen to?
Or maybe we can have like a world health origination. That would be a neat idea and let's base policy on what they recommend. What could go wrong?

Quantify a “significant baseline of infected individuals” please.

Why don’t you tell us
1- The reliable source(s) for the evidence you seek.
2- The rate of hospitalizations, hospitalization capacity, death rates, etc. that indicate the status of the outbreak, whether or not it is out of control.
3- Then indicate why you are unable to go to those sources that would reveal the information you are seeking and find out for yourself.

I actually did list a few countries whose experts accurately predicted/handled the pandemic. Maybe you should pay attention.

There were experts in the US warning about the pandemic in January, but they were largely outside of the CDC. The CDC is politically controlled and has had key positions cut in the last 1-2 years (The emergency pandemic response team was eliminated in 2019 and in July 2019 the only US expert in epidemiology was removed from China's disease control agency and never replaced because of the ongoing trade war). The CDC doesn't even have a standardized method for the collection of Corona data from each state.

Just absurd how politicians have de-funded and censored epidemiology experts while spewing their own junk science in order to manufacture a confusing cacophony of opposing "expert" opinions.

I thought you already had it?

Among the experts, whose modeling of COVID-19 was the most accurate in February 2020 of predicting mortality rates, hospitalizations, rate of spread, etc. in your opinion?

Quoting a post I made in March. Nothing has changed.