This thread was all one person, the record is clear, anyone can read the posts

Ahnuld can't deal with someone persuasively arguing against his politics, makes passive-aggressive threats about how 'he doesn't have to hold his magnanimous burden of not banning someone'

BTC thread was killed off as well, anyone that suggested a correction in spring at 60k was run out for miss-thought

The politics posters won, the prize is another echo chamber where losers like GS85 can post sarcastic circle jerks

gg

It's really just two posters responsible for most of the problems. Cuepee is here on a political crusade and for some reason lagtight feels compelled to share each one of his individual thoughts, in separate posts, that don't contribute anything new to discussions. He literally has a post that quotes someone and says "+1." Ban those two and everyone with a 2021 registration date and the good posters will comprise the majority of content again.

It is unbelievable that you did not close this ages ago and ban people.

This forum is meant to be about business, finance and investing. This thread should be how that relates to the current coronavirus pandemic.

Instead we have all sorts of nutcases throwing out their irrelevant opinions which means nothing and just pollutes the forum. I am sure most people are like me and stopped reading a long time ago. It is just by luck I spotted your post.

These people should have all been banned a long time ago and if they carried on after, perma banned. The thread should also have been closed.

You know this anyway.

It is literally impossible to disentangle politics from this topic so the very attempt is wrong.

That does not mean that nothing of value, business wise cannot be discussed.

Instead just consider rename this the 'BFI Covid Containment Thread' and make it known that the intersection between business and politics will be tolerated and tell all the cry babies to stay out if they don't like it.

I mean, tell me how you can do an assessment of business aspects of Biden's decisions post GE to Trump's prior that does not involve politics???

Well said.

Coronavirus can't be neatly compartmentalized; it is impossible to discuss the BFI aspects of the virus separate from the politics.

I find this thread to be a great example of the ever changing alt-right messaging that is going on, so it is informative in that regard, even if the unaware monetized consumers of such information in this thread have no idea of that process as it happens to them. Politics has become a permanent part of this topic, so trying to pretend it is not is silly. The new owners seem to not care much about moderation, and when some frequent contributors in this thread had mental breakdowns they took appropriate time off. My suggestion is let it do its thing and use it as an interesting case study of a certain segment of the population. Its not like this thread is relevant, so just let it be what it needs to be to those that consume it. Still, if you close it down - whatever, no big deal. Your choice in the end, and since you get paid $0 - you can choose whatever you like for whatever reason you like in my opinion.

At no point have you taken even a little accountability. It's totally obvious that even the lightest touch of sensible moderation would keep this on track

1. You have posters from BFI. You also have posters who have zero contributions to BFI here to argue politics or spam ancient beef. Those two groups should not be treated the same. That is basically how other sub communities on this forum run. This has been explained before. For example the POG community has a politics thread (or they did last time I saw the section, I dont POG). Any posters from outside POG are on extremely thin ice there. If someone is disruptive they get called out and removed

We saw high volume idiotic spam dominate the thread from cuepee and monteroy for months. You did nothing. Own it. Imagine if a POG mod allowed toothsayer to obsessively spam their politics section daily and then throw their hands in the air and be like welp I don't know what to do here, might have to shut this down. hand control over to the disruption instead of doing your job? If you can't distinguish between tooth who is a polarizing contributor to bfi and posters like cuepee and monteroy, you're probably being blinded by your own personal bias

2. There are insane posters with brand new join dates. Not a complicated problem. If they have other accounts, those should be sanctioned and the community should be notified who the actual weirdo is

3. The thread would be fine if people with clear mental problems were told to just tone it down. Like cuepee is obviously out of his mind and exiling him is a reasonable decision. Alternatively if you just told him he's eating a ban if he posts more than 5x a week, people could easily ignore him. The same goes for lagtight. Upon arrival he spammed like 25 posts and none of which were on topic. Upon being notified of his behavior he self bans, then decides to un self ban, and then starts spam the thread with zero content again. We could all ignore his completely bizarre behavior if he only posted a handful of posts per week. Lagtight is a regular politics poster, a boomer, and a street preacher. He can be interesting if he's actually posting on topic

4. A little backstory in case you didn't know. The politics section was run by a loon for ages. As you may have realized the 2p2 population can be divided in many ways but one would be the internet poker boom. This site attracted a lot of young intelligent people while also having a lot of degenerate losers. As you could imagine the young people who figured out how to make money on their computer are very different than the degenerate boomers. The politics section run by a complete weirdo distilled and shaped a community of the most degenerate socially r-worded weirdos on the site. I recognize successful online players here in the bfi section and one would be a unicorn from the politics section.

If you click on the who posted icon in the politics section covid thread you will notice overlap of who is ruining this thread. If you were familiar with the politics section, you'll instantly recognize the weirdos or the tone of the brand new accounts. All of this has been explained one way or another. Allowing people from an insane asylum that is deceptively called a politics forum to overrun a bfi thread isn't a problem that requires a whole lot of complexity to fix

Proposed solution(s)

1. Almost no rope given to people outside of bfi acting like dolts. Literally problem solved

2. Exile 3-4 obvious posters from the thread. Literally problem solved

3. Tell the 3-4 weirdos that never contributed to bfi who are spamming in high volume they will be sanctioned if they post more than 5x per week. Literally problem solved

Since I prefer light moderation, I'd go with 3

greensmoke

another hero that has chimed in with zero substance but has sprinkled in his stupidity as a result of hate-reading the thread. I believe he was one of the geniuses baffled by the conspiratorial rubes entertaining a lab leak theory. At least he makes himself feel bright by formulating the weakest strawman possible to mock. That's always a fun contribution

this is the way

Lets be clear as anyone can look back and see long before Monteroy or myself posted in this thread the exact same pattern was present.

TS and others would post explicitly political statements and claims that were tied to Trump boosterism and 'Anything Democrat' demonization and anyone who dared challenged them with more accurate info was instantly accused of Politarding the thread and said to be Reported. Over and over you see that.

There is no complaint, NONE, NEVER, by the same handful of posters about the Politics, no matter how blatant as long as it is in agreement with Trumptard positions.

That much is indisputable.

So what brings you here ahnuld is a handful of Karen's who literally want a ideological Safe Space and who hit the Report button like crying victims when they cannot get it.

They want 3 posters exiled today and 3 when this thread started, and 3 more if they appear later.

What i say here CANNOT be disputed. It would take me seconds to post so much Politics by TS and others that proceeds this current complaint.

So that is the question for you. That is what Juan and others are asking for. A Safe Space and protection as the new right are all victims needing protection, at all times.

I am all for keeping this as what it is, a containment space but agree with Monty that shutting it down is fine.

but do not let any of the safe space reporters convince you that is your job, any Mods job, and you are failing if you do not actively moderate this to keep it as a safe space for them to post Trumptard nonsense only with everyone blocked from rebuttle.

I would agree with virtually your entire post if this Forum wasn't just one of a gazillion subforums on a poker website.

The posters are mostly anonymous and the moderators work for free. Given that everything about this place is a freeroll, it's actually amazing that the quality of any forum on 2+2 is as high as it is.

I'm sure BFI posters and lurkers can appreciate the truism: You get what you pay for.

People looking for a serious love relationship don't typically go to a free website like PlentyofFish (unless they're broke), they go to something like Matchdotcom, which is I think is $90 for six months membership.

+1

Here are what a few posters from BFI said about you recently in the bitcoin thread.


You are pretty much considered a joke overall, but who cares as this thread is essentially a joke as well. You post your passive alt-right Twitter information and do your incel stuff. Others post other forms of relatively useless content, like the guy who posted dozens of doomsday scenarios before having a mental breakdown. This low content thread is moderated by unpaid moderators on an online poker forum. If the mods want to keep it going then cool. If they want to lock it - fair enough. If they want to ban everyone that is not a passive alt-right information conusmer - sure, go for it.

If you want to have a forum and thread where you an set the rules as to who can post and who cannot then go out there and create that forum, much like the whiners did when they were booted from the Politics forum by the prior owners of the site. They have their safe space now and are happy, you can do that as well, or stop whining and accept whatever conditions exist for this thread and forum and continue to post.

Moderators who work for free are being dumped on by people who come here to make money for themselves. Monteroy's advice seems correct: Start your own website like the disgruntled Politics Forum folks did, then you can do what you want.

This would be easier and less time consuming than actually moderating so probably the way to go

Your grand burn is assembling an all star cast of critics? This would be the dream team if you included cuepee. speaking of cuepee. He just finished getting other threads locked over in the insane asylum. It got to the point where they actually had performed a word count calculation to quantify his performance. It is interesting that as a rugby player cuepee recognized trans athletes were ruining womens/girls sports while the soyboys who were routinely held down and had the remote stolen by their sisters couldn't grasp the moral disaster. I never took the time to sift through and digest the ingenious arguments but 4k words a day is quite the effort to win hearts and minds in the rubber room

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2267


The fact the mods are unpaid is not an excuse though. They accepted the role, they don't get to point to their compensation as an explanation for neglect. Again, this mess could and can be cleaned up with minimal effort. It was created and continued by neglect. There are 3-4 useless and disruptive posters. Seeing the problem posters create a mess and then tell people to start their own forum is not exactly clever.

Report that guy's posts (I do not read most of them) or any other post you want if that makes you feel better. I do not care about his opinion on trans rugby players nor do I care about your obsession with him. You whine a lot.

This forum with the new owners is pretty much anti-moderation, in fact they pretty much suggested nobody should be banned. This specific forum is light on moderation and the mods get paid literally $0 by owners that barely care about moderation. You may think that does not matter, but in terms of accountability it does, as people getting paid $0 by owners that place minimal value on their work are in my opinion not nearly as accountable as others getting paid for the same type of work.

Your opinion of how the "mess" can be cleaned up is tainted with your bias. As I showed - several other posters regard you as a toxic little nothingburger that should be shown the door, so they are saying the same thing about you that you are saying about others. The solution as I pointed out is you can create your own forum with whatever rules you like, just as the whiners that were booted from Politics did ( to their credit). If you do that then you can post only things that you want to see and be happy.

At this point I'm convinced that the admins have somehow hamstrung the moderators abilities to moderate anything. Even after issuing warnings, Ahnuld is seemingly unable to actually ban anyone despite numerous post with content in blatant violation of the "new rules."

It does seem that the admins are ok with user moderated threads though. A couple of other forums allow threads wherein the author can request specific users be exiled. The mods issue a warning (via PM i assume), and if the user violates the warning, they get banned from 2p2. We could just start a new covid thread moderated by a panel of 3 BFI regulars with a proven track record of quality contribution and/or have displayed consistent possession of their mental faculties. I'd propose the panel be Tooth, mrbaseball, and TooCuriousso1, but there's other good candidates as well.

I clicked a random page in this thread (#295, June 20, 2020). I also read page #296.

Well over half of the posts in those two pages were about politics.

Apparently, a focus on politics has been going on in this thread for at least 16 months!

This thread is salvageable with just a bit of moderating. The problem is clowns like Cuepee, Monteroy, etc. The fact they haven't been banned yet should embarrass the moderators. If the mods are too busy, they need to deputize decent posters to be mods. I'd nominate myself (you can go back and read my posts for this thread if you want a sense of what decent content looks like), but would also endorse deputizing juan, rickroll, Treesong (if he's still around), and I'm sure there are others who haven't been posting trollish political BS.

Do you even know how to shut something down?

You keep asking how to fix a thread when the answer is obvious, and the BFI regulars have repeatedly told you the simple answer.

You've become a troll yourself, and it's been painfully obvious for a long time that you have zero interest in moderating the forum. Which is fine. It's also obvious that you have no interest in anyone else moderating the forum. The whole "unpaid mod" excuse is total bullshit. Just quit. Let the new owners institute some AI moderation. It couldn't possibly be worse.

What you've allowed the forum to become has zero value. It's your **** show. You allowed this. You steered the ship. The trading thread isn't coming back, new ideas aren't coming back, discussion of businesses isn't coming back, regulars who used to contribute investment ideas aren't coming back.

It's now impossible to discuss anything business related. Nicely done.

I've been lurking this thread since the beginning and frankly it's been a long time since there was any real B, F, or I content in it. I'm not sure that the purported thread topic even makes sense any more.

Early on in the pandemic when there was so much uncertainty in the world there were good discussions to be had regarding markets and economies. Now that we've settled into a "new normal" the interesting topics are all by-products of the pandemic response but not really related to the pandemic directly. Things like employment numbers, supply chains, labor/management power struggles, etc. Each of those things might deserve their own thread, maybe not, but lumping all of that into one thread, this thread, and trying to keep politics out of it just seems pointless.

So this lurker votes to shut it down. Regulars might disagree.

Could QP, lagtight and Monteroy share their overall views of the stock market and bond market in the current economic environment given the pandemic?

If you would like I can give a fairly detailed breakdown of how the industry of which this website is based fared during and as a result of Covid. Online gambling site so it would be online gambling industry based.

Others have definitely posted stuff like you want.

The markets only went up 3-4% that month so maybe that was very bad.

Why don't you show some posts of yours and other ones you respect on the topics you are talking about to give some examples of the healthy non-political debate that takes place in this thread if not for the damn meddling kids.

In the end the situation is not that complicated. Seems a bunch of people who share the same political thinking process prefer a thread where those who do not fall in line should be exiled or banned. Fair enough, the internet is filled with safe spaces like that. The ex-politics posters created that when Mason hurled them out the door.

Nothing is stopping the people here from coordinating and creating the exact think tank they want to discuss the topic as they see fit with only those they want to participate. Shuffle can post end of world stuff, Tooth can make a fake fortune on play money Bitcoin shorts. Joan can post alt right Twitter feeds about Australia. Whatever works, and it can all be done as you guys like, however you like. Unlikely that this forum, where the new owners prefer minimal moderation, will have a space created that you want. You can certainly continue to ask (the OP moderated thread is a reasonable suggestion above and that thread if it existed would be entertaining). Assuming you are not given what you want here - why not create that space for yourself and enjoy it. That way you can set the rules up as you like instead of being passive whiners complaining in a site/forum, with unpaid (and eventually AI mods), where you have no control.

Why does anyone need an excuse.

You want a BFI where you can do what you want in the Bitcoin thread or any thread while at the same time scream to the Mods to protect this thread.

Your entire M.O is to cry 'ONLY MY OPINION MATTERS AND SHOULD BE ALLOWED!'

You are 100% endemic of the new right. Entitled crybaby victims looking for others to provide them Safe Spaces. You cannot even deny that.