https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

"The narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates [1]. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries, such as Germany and the United Kingdom"

Findings
"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases"

"There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated"

"Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as “High” Transmission counties"

"Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified as “low” transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%."

Interpretation
"The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined"

"the effectiveness of 2 doses of the BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccine against preventing COVID-19 infection was reported to be 39% [6], substantially lower than the trial efficacy of 96%"

"In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good."

I'm not going to take a study seriously if such an egregiously false statement features in their paper. Even in the US, with its significantly older and fatter population than most of the world, the confirmed IFR is 1.6%. But that assumes, absurdly, that no cases have been missed. (To be fair, it doesn't include people whose cases have been reported and who will die from COVID but have not yet died.) You can find several countries, like the Netherlands, with percentages of deaths from official cases under 1%. I don't have a good estimate for what the true number of infected is—maybe double the official case rate?—but there's no way in hell a serious paper should say that 2.15% of people infected with this virus have died from it worldwide.

I self-banned to help keep Toothslayer from flying the coup. I even sent TS a PM telling him that i would exile myself to keep him from leaving.

He has apparently abandoned ship for greener pastures. (And who here doesn't love mixed metaphors?)

Anyway, since I earlier self-banned, I am now self-un-banning.

Are you not aware that some states have never required vaccines to attend public school? Including all of the "standard" vaccines like polio?

NEVER?

Rundown of vaccines required by each state HERE

Polio vaccine is currently required in all states (according to KingSpew's source).

Also currently required in all 50 states is Dtap and Varicella(Chicken Pox).

I'm pretty sure there are states where antivax kids can go to school without all the jabs.
It's the bottom of the barrel anti vax kids whose parents that can't afford to home school them on the 10 commandments but they are allowed in school without any jabs.

T-Cells and B-Cellls though

If my body produces a mild reaction the first time I got the virus, doesn't that decrease the likelihood I will get a lethal reaction the second time (even after antibodies have completely disappeared)?

The underlying biological processes are the same the first and second time.

My body has "proven" it can beat the virus.

Im not sure if there is a relation here (seem it does as in the immune system respond to something that should not be a threat ) but I know that for allergic reaction it’s the opposite .

If you have a mild allergic reaction , it will get worst for the second and worsen afterwards .

Fwiw , no one is always 100% fit to fight virus .
Maybe the first time the person was in his prime but when he get a second infection during a weakened health , he won’t be able to beat it .

Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 generates T-cell memory in the absence of a detectable viral infection

Quote:

We also demonstrate the size and quality of the memory T-cell pool of COVID-19 patients are larger and better than those of close contacts. However, the proliferation capacity, size and quality of T-cell responses in close contacts are readily distinguishable from healthy donors, suggesting close contacts are able to gain T-cell immunity against SARS-CoV-2 despite lacking a detectable infection.

You don’t have to be infected to develop natural immunity.

Yes because the political talk NEVER stopped when I was not posting.

However I will only 'Reply' to it in this thread. I will make an attempt to never be the one to initiate it. So the burden is on your side as you can end my political talk by just not initiating it.

If instead you guys keep initiating it while crying about those who hit reply, then truly all you want is a political safe space for pro Trump, pro Right talk only and the Mod's should not grant that. I certainly will not go along with that unless they change the thread title to 'Right leaning views only' which would be fine if someone wanted an echo box thread and created it as such. Then I would consider it trolling to post countering views in that thread.

There is a difference in saying 'there are some religious and other exemptions to mandates' and 'there are no mandates' if that was the point Rika was attempting to make and failed at.

The fact is there are and have been for decades vaccine mandates for numerous vaccines. Beyond these for school there are a handful for people who want to travel to certain places.

The only difference today is the Muh Freedums derps. and not the vaccine mandate.

The only difference is that the Right realized there was a significant percent of very easily duped people they could take advantage of politically and worse, easily fleeced of hundreds of millions of dollars by the Rights grift machine.

Make no mistake otherwise. Vaccine mandates are not novel, new or controversial.

And had the vaccine been available to take months prior to the 2020 General Election with the hope that it could have created a real downturn in covid and turned around Trump declining election fortunes, and got him a second term the vast majority of those who are 'muh freedoms' derps would have eagerly taken the vaccine in an attempt to turn the tide for him and stop Biden's momentum.

ItÂ’s possible to be allergic to a vaccine too btw. Allergy may not become apparent on the first jab either. Infrequently happens ? Of course.

Post 19792

Post 19793
Bold strategy

Qp very obviously has mental problems. It isn't uncommon around these parts but his are easier to spot than most

New Zealand's covid control is slipping away. It's obvious that avoiding early case loads only delays the inevitable. Thisshit will burn through everyone everywhere and even they abandoned their covid zero pipe dream months after anybody paying attention knew it was impossible to achieve a zero covid "strategy"

Politics and religion can be inherent to many points made.

To pretend they are not and to not consider them or discuss them actually harms proper discussion on the Business and Economics of this topic.

You cannot ignore them just because you don't like the conversation that results.

That is why i have pointed out RIGHTLY it is largely impossible to disentangle politics from the Business and Economics when so much is tied to the other.

Does anyone really believe Politics was not a key underlying factor in the decisions being made by the US gov't in particular (as the worst offender) since covids introduction on to the scene? Really?

But like I said, i will only insert when appropriate in a reply. I am not originating posts to do so.

Some updated info on myocarditis and different demos

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti...uEcnT3D6Fi1d9c

Pretty wild disparity in the numbers for covid in kids in this retracted article

https://news.yahoo.com/york-times-re...163906675.html

almost as if there's a narrative and agenda. Saw pfizer formally apply for approval to vax kids 5-11 on the elevator news screen

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pfi...data-1.6197758

Everyone eventually reaches this conclusion that economic shutdowns are just plain stupid. Especially 20 months into the pandemic.

We should just lock down the olds and let everyone else go about, but its easier politically to lock everything down rather than doing the right thing.

Fools gold to go for Covid zero after june 2020.

In Idaho you can sign a piece of paper stating a philosophical objection and not get ANY vaccine and your kids are still allowed to go to public school.

edited to add: And it doesn't have to be religious based at all. My atheist buddy got one back in 2018 for his kid/s

In Idaho the "other exemptions to mandates" is literally "if you choose not to." So lol @ considering that a legit mandate.

It's obvious from your post you didn't realize Idaho had such an easy work around and are now trying to pretend like you knew.

Itt Idaho is the nuts

ONS data published on 6 October says that among 20,262 Britons who tested positive for Covid-19 between July 2020 and September 2021, there were 296 reinfections – defined as a new positive test 120 days or more after an initial first positive test – with an average (median) time of 203 days between positive tests.

In Oklahoma, which has a population of about 3.9 million, there were 5,229 reinfections reported during September (equivalent to a reinfection rate of 1,152 per 100,000) and reinfections have risen 350% since May.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...say-scientists

Idaho is your checkmate. Idaho, REALLY?

So your argument is that all 50 States do have vaccine mandates but Idaho has a particularly easy opt out for many citizens. Checkmate it is therefore wrong to suggest that vaccine mandates are normal across the US. Really?

NO. Vaccine mandates are complete normal across the US prior to US despite any argument you make that an exception breaks that rule.

The only difference we face today is not that covid is different but that the GOP sees benefit in politicizing this one and the Derp are gullible enough to follow them.

That is literally it. Again if the vaccine had been available months prior to the 2020 GE and Trump thought it could turn around his election chances the Derps would have lined up to take it before the CDC even approved it. We know that. We have the history to prove it.

haha, just saw this and its a better analogy than my 'checkmate'. Too funny.

Idaho, who has seen it health care system on the verge of collapse and would certainly have collapsed if not saved by improved therapeutics (monoclonal antibodies) keeping massive waves of sick people out of the hospitals.

Idaho that if fully reliant on Big Pharma and massive of pharma cocktails to save them post infection from their own stupidity because they believe they are fighting against big pharma by not taking the vaccine.

Derps is the only way to describe them.



"...New and ongoing hospitalizations for COVID-19 in Idaho have both fallen consistently since early October. That corresponds with health care providers and state-sponsored infusion sites ramping up the use of monoclonal antibodies that can keep high-risk patients out of the hospital, when patients are treated early enough...." cite