This is true. I have a truther friend who the more he is told to get it the less he wants to. He will eventually tho bc he needs to soon in order to fly back to Canada

I'm in Rio rn and it is great getting away from Ontario's insanity. No news outlets talk abt Brazil's cases and deaths falling off a cliff, but they couldn't get enough of this place when it was a horror show

I believe he is allowed to fly back to his country of citizenship without the vaccine?


Brazil went the India route -> Massive burn through followed by case drop offs.

Do you believe in firing medical workers that are unvaccinated? By private and public hospitals?

Hospitals should all have Health And Safety committees that should be empowered to make decisions on all such situations.

If the Hospital is Public then the gov't should have whatever say they otherwise say in Health and Safety issues.


I think the key is that we not pretend Covid is unique and needs special one off treatment.

Issues of Health and Safety and how to handle infectious viruses, and required Vaccines, have ALWAYS been dealt with in this way.

I think hospitals can keep the long standing policy of requiring certain vaccines for staff.

And it should be pointed out how political this has become in the US. Historically, states like Texas have always been at Will employers which means you can get fired for any reason. If you are fired for race, disability etc you can sue under federal law and possibly win because Texas employers have to follow federal law. But now, just because a segment of the far right has adopted hardcore antivaxism, the governor of Texas has gone completely against conservative philosophy and tried to outlaw at will employment when it comes to vaccination status.

Yikes! Looks like the inmates escaped the asylum! Half of the posts are blocked again. Oh, well I guess this thread is over again.

yes. Its a job requirement imo to do what you can to not infect patients.

If I went out and got a giant face tattoo over the weekend I think it would be reasonable for my employer to ask me to get it removed or lose my job. It prevents me from effectively doing my job well (client and management meetings).

will give warnings followed by bans if it turns to **** again

on a more investing note, went long some Goodyear Tire calls into earnings. everything I hear is tire imports are way down creating shortages. Goodyear produces 50% of their tires locally in the US. I read tire prices are up 20%. Are you guys seeing that?

Where's the rubber come from?

I've pointed out in the past that the GOP/Right has flip flopped on every single issue/position they once held.

- Smaller Gov't
- Debt/Deficits
- Keeping the GOv't or State out of our lives/businesses
- Minimum Wage support
- Tariffs/Protectionism/Free Trade
- Immigration

I think the only one they have supported consistently is the failed concept of Trickle Down economics.

ants?

Except the vaccine doesn't stop the spread? Also mandates don't take into account antibodies from prior infection. If this were a "real" pandemic don't you think the last people to lose their jobs would be healthcare workers? Wouldn't they be the most in demand profession in the world?

This isn't about healthcare anymore it is about control.

I agree with both of this in theory.

However practically you run into the situation where:

1) Thousands of them are not vaccinated and are willing to be fired.
2) You have a nursing shortage already.
3) It feels bad to shaft the front line medical workers that bore the brunt of the danger.

Do you still fire them?

Practically speaking, the only decision you have is just to play chicken with as many of them as possible and then manage the covid situation. Firing people en masse doesn't get the remainers to vaccinate.

I believe this may be incorrect.

According to Dr. Gupta of CNN (I know you probably don't like him), vaccinated people are 8x less likely to spread the virus to other people and also much more likely to have mild symptoms that last much less longer, which helps mitigate the spread.

Yes Gupta is a douche (watch Rogan ) but I agree vaccinated are less likely to spread. BUT they still do. And if it has been 6+ months since vaxxed probably spread as much as anybody. Why were there more covid deaths in sept 21 than in sept 20 after a large portion of the population was vaccinated?

My guess is that the vaccination isn't all that it was cracked up to be. That said I still believe in the vaccination and am happy I got it. But I don't think anyone who thinks it is bullshit is out of line. And I can be sure if I had natural immunity (ie prior infection) I wouldn't go anywhere near this experimental procedure.

This pretty much nail my thoughts on vaccine mandates

Practically, about 150 people had to be let go out of over 26,000 when a large hospital system in Texas mandated them. Not sure how many were nurses vs administrative etc. But I think many large hospital systems will come to the conclusion that it’s worth it for patient safety.

+1

Because you hold these beliefs:

-prior infection stands for nothing.
-there are not bizarre side effects we have no answer for (there are many but take myocarditis in young healthy boys). And that also has 0 effect on the people who know them (i.e the people Joe Rogan's friends with who had strokes and heart attacks right after the vaccine (in the Gupta podcast)).
-it's irrelevant covid IFR ranges from like 1/8 to 1/1,000,000.

So you have 0 empathy for people who do not want the vaccine for any reason whatsoever they might have.

Sir can you give us your updated Bayes output for Covid origins?

Yes I looked into it for him bc it sounded odd. As a Canadian he can fly back without a vaccine but beginning December he can't get on a plane out of Canada without one

I guess Canada doesn't recognize Sinovac? I think it's basically sugar water so seems like a great anti vaxxer choice to get around the mandates minus that whole CCP thing.

Thailand makes a ton. Price has been in the shi**er for about a decade now. Would be nice to see it go up again.

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