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09-28-2021 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tien
Not even Derpee can refute the post since its entirely correct. Poor 60 year old derpee doesn't like the post.

Deal with it.
Already did snowflake.

What you said:

- Meh the olds who have all dies from covid should already been dead as their resources would be better used by me.

it was a casual and callous dismissal of ALL the death in that aged cohort as long over due anyway.

I get that now, like Tooth always does you are trying to change what you said to something more moderate but unfortunately you the quote exists and has been captured by me.
09-28-2021 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
If my old car is close to the end of its finite lifespan, does that imply that I should send it to the scrapyard? Who here has even come close to suggesting such a thing? The fact your mind goes there says way more about you than it does about someone pointing out that your car is old.

Our current covid measures are like requiring fan belt changes for all years, makes, and models, in order to make the older cars last longer. Not even you can believe that makes sense.
Context matters sweetheart.

Tien comment was in reply to the entire segment of 'olds'. EACH and EGEYONE of them and their deaths due to covid.

Using an analogy that they are all already beyond any form of useful life (like your car analogy does) is not a good or appropriate way to address the entire group.

Just like every single old car does not make sense to not repair and instead scrap not every old is simply near death and taking up resources.


if you don't see how that is a disgustingly callous analogy that is on you and not me.

No amount of 'BUT... BUT... some olds are ...' means you should apply that to all the Olds who have died from covid thus far.

It is a pattern with Tien who also suggested anyone who got covid and got worse systems and had a worse recovery then he did must be a fatty, lazy or other.

That may be true of SOME but to suggest it for ALL people who had complications and a worse time with covid is just stupid and callous.

Tien has already admitted he is by definition obese so you can bet some of the people who had worse covid outcomes than him were in apparently better shape.
09-28-2021 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This isn't hard, even for you (you're much smarter than Cuepee). "A large number of deaths were inevitable no matter what was done (as happened in all of Europe) and no one was able to stop it, but Trump did stop the number being a lot larger than it was by banning flights early (buying time) and going extremely overboard fighting the bureaucracy and doing logistics to get the vaccine out early". This is basic stuff man, why are you wasting everyone's time seeing a logical inconsistency where it doesn't exist? You're smarter than the dog-stupid Cuepee, cmon.
lol never change Tooth...


Tooth:

- 'you are mentally ill if you blame Trump for the high US numbers

Also Tooth :

- 'if you are going to give anyone credit for how well the US did compared to how badly they could have done that credit has go to the Trump miracle'

Tooth Summary:

- Trump miraculously kept the numbers down but if you think they are high don't blame him.

FLOL. Clownshoes.

(new bookmark for me )
09-28-2021 , 04:45 PM
Anyone seen an update on this data?

09-28-2021 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Context matters sweetheart.

Tien comment was in reply to the entire segment of 'olds'. EACH and EGEYONE of them and their deaths due to covid.

Using an analogy that they are all already beyond any form of useful life (like your car analogy does) is not a good or appropriate way to address the entire group.

Just like every single old car does not make sense to not repair and instead scrap not every old is simply near death and taking up resources.
Then you agree that our current covid measures make no sense. That's odd because you so vehemently defended face diapers just a few months ago. But great! Glad to see you coming around.
09-28-2021 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Anyone seen an update on this data?

Here's an update:

417/102000 = 0.4% chance of death (if you get it)

1603/102000 = 1.6% chance of hospitalization (if you get it)

Divide by 5, if you are under 50 years old.

However,

1) Since non-tested positives are still a thing, these numbers are even lower.
2) There are more non-tested positives in the vaccinated population so those numbers are, in reality, far, far higher.

In other words, there is still no point in getting vaccinated if you're under 50.

I've said it before earlier ITT, but people better be really careful about pushing these v̶a̶c̶c̶i̶n̶e̶s therapeutics on everyone, because you might be unknowingly supporting the necessary selection pressure that gives rise to a variant that completely bypasses the current v̶a̶c̶c̶i̶n̶e̶s therapeutics.

Last edited by Wittgenhe!ny; 09-28-2021 at 05:02 PM.
09-28-2021 , 05:15 PM
US numbers are nonsense since much of the US has been ordered not to track vaccinated breakthroughs. They're also often classified as unvaccinated.

Vaccines provide about 90% protection from hospitalization/death, which is huge but nowhere near the value claimed, the rest is nonsense.
09-28-2021 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
Then you agree that our current covid measures make no sense. That's odd because you so vehemently defended face diapers just a few months ago. But great! Glad to see you coming around.
I would say good job as I think you thought that made sense in your head before you wrote it but none of it does. Nothing there follows from my points.
09-28-2021 , 05:31 PM


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Originally Posted by Monteroy
so I ask you a question I asked the other person - at what age does a human become relatively useless, where that person's age alone is reason for ridicule in your mind?
For women it's 30.
09-28-2021 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Already did snowflake.

What you said:

- Meh the olds who have all dies from covid should already been dead as their resources would be better used by me.

it was a casual and callous dismissal of ALL the death in that aged cohort as long over due anyway.

I get that now, like Tooth always does you are trying to change what you said to something more moderate but unfortunately you the quote exists and has been captured by me.
Ok Grandpa.

My post triggers you because you know its true and you have no argument against it.
09-28-2021 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I always have to give credit for Trump for how he identified and created very effective messaging to get his derps to believe literally anything he said. As he takes their money they continue to put him on a pedestal for worship. Dude was a master at messaging to them, he even said how much he loved them for that reason.



Interesting use of a specific age as a form of insult and personal attack. Pretty sure he is not that age from the time he pretty much owned you in that silly prop bet you were suggesting a while ago, and by pretty sure I mean totally certain. Perhaps you forgot the details, as happens with some people. Still, you keep saying he is 60 years old implying that simply being 60 is some form of failure, so I ask you a question I asked the other person - at what age does a human become relatively useless, where that person's age alone is reason for ridicule in your mind. You are very, very proud of your vague eugenics beliefs, so why not have the courage to stand by those beliefs by giving some specifics. Thanks in advance.
I would feel unaccomplished too in life if my claim to fame is bonus whoring.

All the best.


Oh yeah, forgot to add that the next election will bring you great opportunities to use that mighty brain of yours.

Last edited by Tien; 09-28-2021 at 05:54 PM.
09-28-2021 , 05:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
Here's an update:

417/102000 = 0.4% chance of death (if you get it)

1603/102000 = 1.6% chance of hospitalization (if you get it)

Divide by 5, if you are under 50 years old.

However,

1) Since non-tested positives are still a thing, these numbers are even lower.
2) There are more non-tested positives in the vaccinated population so those numbers are, in reality, far, far higher.

In other words, there is still no point in getting vaccinated if you're under 50.

I've said it before earlier ITT, but people better be really careful about pushing these v̶a̶c̶c̶i̶n̶e̶s therapeutics on everyone, because you might be unknowingly supporting the necessary selection pressure that gives rise to a variant that completely bypasses the current v̶a̶c̶c̶i̶n̶e̶s therapeutics.
Why cap it at 50?

I think it makes no sense if you are healthy and under 30. We have 16 months of data on the vaccines and with pfizer there has been no long term side effects. People, even though rarely, have died between 30 and 50 from covid.
09-28-2021 , 06:05 PM
Vaccinations for 5 years olds are going to come soon.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1279939

God they are shameless. Vaccinating kids is to slow down infections yet breakthrough infections can't be stopped.

The moment FDA approves it every country is going to follow through and force it on kids.
09-28-2021 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
For women it's 30.
Nice to finally have someone make their beliefs clear on this topic, even if it is essentially an incel lifestyle slogan. No idea if others will have the courage you did to share their true beliefs, but guess we will see!

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Originally Posted by Tien
I would feel unaccomplished too in life if my claim to fame is bonus whoring.
Eh, to me its just about money. Bonus whoring/bitcoin - its all the same thing in the end. Money. I made a ton off Trumpderps last year, and in the end their money buys the same stuff any other money does. Bonus that it came from a vile source, but in the end its about the money. guess I would ask what you did that you qualify as a significant "accomplishment" in that regard. Whatever it is - do it quick because when you hit 50 or 60 you become useless as a human, right?
09-28-2021 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
US numbers are nonsense since much of the US has been ordered not to track vaccinated breakthroughs. They're also often classified as unvaccinated.
Does often = 30-40% ?? just curious where often comes from....
09-28-2021 , 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This isn't hard, even for you (you're much smarter than Cuepee). "A large number of deaths were inevitable no matter what was done (as happened in all of Europe) and no one was able to stop it, but Trump did stop the number being a lot larger than it was by banning flights early (buying time) and going extremely overboard fighting the bureaucracy and doing logistics to get the vaccine out early". This is basic stuff man, why are you wasting everyone's time seeing a logical inconsistency where it doesn't exist? You're smarter than the dog-stupid Cuepee, cmon.
Like you said, "It's only the mentally ill Trump hating clowns... who think Trump is responsible for the US number."

You were wrong though: It's not only mentally ill Trump hating clowns... It's also Trump *loving clowns like yourself who think Trump is responsible for the US number and you never fail to beat that drum when it suits you. Don't shy away from it now, big guy.
09-28-2021 , 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tien
Why cap it at 50?

I think it makes no sense if you are healthy and under 30. We have 16 months of data on the vaccines and with pfizer there has been no long term side effects. People, even though rarely, have died between 30 and 50 from covid.
50+ it should almost be mandatory

30-49 is up to each individual

0-29 shouldn't even be a thought
09-28-2021 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Does often = 30-40% ?? just curious where often comes from....
Well, we know the numbers are pure fraud in the US. Israel has extensive automated tracking of vaccinations and hospitalizations and deaths, the best data set in the world. Here are the results:



They have Pfizer mostly, similar vaccine type profile to the US. The claimed US numbers are impossible. Vaccines, if boosted within 6 months, are about 90% effective for death/hospitalization, which is huge of course but nowhere near the lies/misinformation that Cuepee is posting. It's not really his fault, he's just a moron parroting media lies which itself is using fraudulent CDC reporting. For example, here's CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/31/h...ath/index.html

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More than 99.999% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The data highlights what leading health experts across the country have highlighted for months: Covid-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and death from Covid-19
And they wonder why people don't trust the media.
09-28-2021 , 07:43 PM
Why the fraud?
09-28-2021 , 07:59 PM
Politico covers it fairly well. The below is the state of things in late August, only a month ago, and of course the reality is far worse:

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Forty-nine states are now regularly sending CDC information on hospitalized breakthrough patients. But more than a dozen told POLITICO that they do not have the capacity to match patients’ hospital admission data with their immunization records. Instead, those states rely on hospital administrators to report breakthrough infections. The resulting data is often aggregated, inaccurate and omits critical details for teasing out trends, such as which vaccine a person received and whether they have been fully vaccinated, a dozen state officials said.

The gaps in this crucial data stream raise questions about the Biden administration’s ability to spot and respond to changes in the virus’s behavior — such as the rapid spread of the Delta variant, which crowded out other strains — or vaccines’ performance. It also underscores the extent to which the CDC and public health departments across the country are still struggling to collect and study critical Covid-19 information 18 months after the pandemic began.

“I think it would be really challenging [for the CDC] to interpret the results or to interpret the data when you have only some jurisdictions reporting [breakthrough infections],” said Theresa Sokol, lead epidemiologist for Louisiana’s state public health department, which is working closely with the CDC on studies of breakthrough infections. “I know that there are some jurisdictions that don't even have access to their vaccination data. They don't have the authority or their permission.”
Basically, any death not positively confirmed as vaccinated = unvaccinated death. It's a complete joke, a bureaucratic cuckshow. Beyond that, the left wing bureacracy of the CDC is of course incompetent and not at all transparent:

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The CDC has said for weeks that it had undisclosed data on breakthrough infections that supports the booster decision. It released one study focusing on frontline health care workers Tuesday showing that Covid-19 vaccines provide strong protection against hospitalization and death, but their effectiveness in preventing infection at all is waning. One analysis examined vaccine efficacy among frontline health care workers; the other tracked efficacy among residents of Los Angeles.

White House officials have increasingly grown frustrated with the CDC over its tendency to not share data at a time when the administration is making major pandemic policy decisions on everything from masks to school reopening, two other senior Biden officials working on the federal government’s Covid-19 response told POLITICO.

“We don’t have a clear understanding of what the data actually says about the Delta variant, transmission and boosters,” one of those officials said.
So the data to these stats is old (when vaccines weren't even tracked in most places vs deaths!) and unreliable, and the CDC deliberately hides the data for months, even from the Biden administration. So US data is utterly worthless, it's meaningless trash, the 99% claims are pure fraud. Israel is giving us the real numbers, as are other countries. About 90% protection from death from vaccines boosted within 5 months is a good rule of thumb. Covid basically becomes still about 3x worse the flu for the old with the vaccine and frequently updated boosters (the flu is still quite lethal for the old).
09-28-2021 , 08:08 PM
Thanks for the link.


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such as the rapid spread of the Delta variant, which crowded out other strains
Rather than Delta outcompeting other strains, which is implied here, it's far more likely that competing strains were removed by the vaccine.

I think I last read that pfizer has 42% effectiveness against Delta which, if true, is further evidence that the reported US numbers are bogus.
09-28-2021 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Nice to finally have someone make their beliefs clear on this topic, even if it is essentially an incel lifestyle slogan. No idea if others will have the courage you did to share their true beliefs, but guess we will see!
Buddy, learn how to spot a joke.
09-28-2021 , 09:18 PM
I reply to them when I see them. They tend to get annoyed when I do that.
09-28-2021 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Wittgenhe!ny
If my old car is close to the end of its finite lifespan, does that imply that I should send it to the scrapyard? Who here has even come close to suggesting such a thing? The fact your mind goes there says way more about you than it does about someone pointing out that your car is old.

Our current covid measures are like requiring fan belt changes for all years, makes, and models, in order to make the older cars last longer. Not even you can believe that makes sense.
You underestimate him.
09-28-2021 , 10:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tien
Why cap it at 50?

I think it makes no sense if you are healthy and under 30. We have 16 months of data on the vaccines and with pfizer there has been no long term side effects. People, even though rarely, have died between 30 and 50 from covid.
Is it possible more side effects show up after you've had the jab 5-10 times?

      
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