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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
JSB/TS,
You gentlemen seem to be overly concerned with calling one another names and proving one another wrong. The thread would benefit from both of you trying to find common intellectual ground rather than dunking on one another. The current point of dispute seems to be the impact of T-cell immunity on the future course of the virus.
Can one or both of you kindly isolate the precise dispute without the hostility?
There's no common intellectual ground. jsb is simply wrong and he can't fathom the very clear reasons why. The dispute was completely isolated in my last post.
Theory 1: There's a T Cell response to corona in 40-50% of people
Me: Sure.
Theory 2: We can extrapolate from this that 40-50% of people are naturally immune/wont' be affected by corona
Me: The evidence against this is overwhelming
Theory 3: We can extrapolate from this that 15-20% of the population getting corona will confer herd immunity
Me: The evidence against this is overwhelming.
Theory 4 (in August before the surge): The reason we saw the flatline in Europe and the peaking in other areas was this herd immunity in (3)
September: Nope
When I presented this evidence - which destroys the theories above - jsb didn't even understand or comment on it, instead attacking me. He has now just admitted that he merely parrots twitter. If we want Twitter we'll go to Twitter, jsb.
jsb bringing this all here from Twitter (assuming he's accurately quoting these guys), just shows what absolute morons plenty of experts are. Twitter does amplify it due to selection bias for interesting/wrong theories that make people feel good, but still. There's no excuse for this level of anti-science, anti-data, anti-basic-epistemology theorizing which is so absurdly wrong that no functioning brain would have considered it likely for more than a few seconds.
There's nothing to discuss. It's over. jsb is simply wrong in the way a child is wrong about Santa Claus, and he can't understand it. The data is overwhelmingly, conclusively against propositions 2 and 3 and 4. I've laid out some of why in earlier posts. <shrugs>
Last edited by ToothSayer; 09-23-2020 at 03:49 PM.