Sam Harris has a solid podcast with Siddartha Mukherjee on covid ****ups. For those who don't know, Mukherjee is an oncologist with a background in virology who wrote the Pulitzer Orize winner The Emperor of All Maladies about the history and science of cancer. Interesting and worthwhile episode.

6x is correct, 8x is a typo. I went through the guesstimate math earlier.

In other news, CYDY, the fraudy biotech that Clayton and PairTheBoard pushed (PairTheBoard became a true believer from Ted Talks, lol), is crashing.

Dont worry. I am sure this is all a misunderstanding and once they crunch the numbers from their Phase II trial efficacy results (which they have been working on for weeks after releasing the safety data) we will realize their drug really is the panacea it was hyped to be.

Actually, apparently they did recently have a press release of efficacy findings:

https://www.cytodyn.com/newsroom/pre...p-line-results

A lot of spin and jargon, but not much data. Pretty much impossible to determine anything tangible about the efficacy of the drug from this.

I just got tested again because I've had a sore throat for a few days and our 3 year old had some symptoms last week. 10-14 days for results. Lol wtf? 6 months in and the most basic piece, testing, is so broken it's worthless.

I'm headed to pay $140 out of pocket to get an antigen test that will give results in <2 hours but has more false negatives.

American I am assuming?

Find a very rich person and cough in their face. They will get an immediate test and you can find out that way. I am being sarcastic, but there is probably some truth there.

Rich people have hoarded all the 15 minute tests, and are using them to screen themselves and the people they come into contact with, so they can go about their lives relatively safe and unaffected.

Plus I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were getting regular antibody transfusions prophylactically. I would actually be more surprised if they weren't.

Yes, Ohio.

tell them you're a health care worker, and get results quickly.
no proof required.
worked for a friend of ours who is/was a radiology tech.

good luck

The issue is the rest of the United States. Is there anyway the U.S. does not go into another preventable lock-down? The only way that it seems possible is with Efficient testing + Contact tracing, but like you said, this would never work in the U.S. Does anyone know what percentage of the U.S. would need to be infected this Winter to severely dampen the R naught for this Winter (current estimates seem to be around 7 -13%) 20 - 30% sounds like it may be enough for us to escape. Plus, the old are probably going to isolate themselves this Winter, so it should put us in a good spot. The other issue is this though, a good chunk of that 7 - 13% are probably from California, Texas, Florida, and New York, and are in-return they are skewing the total %.

Well NY has an R of 1 with 20% infection rate, in summer with substantial shutdown and distancing. Not a good sign.

I know the media narrative is the virus is getting spread by MAGA Trump supporters who refuse to wear masks, but the reality is in a lot of these places the spread is actually concentrated heavily in Hispanic/Black urban communities; and outside of these communities even in NY, CA, TX and FL there is actually very little community spread, and hence immunity.

I named 4 states, two of which are left leaning states. I just picked those because they have the most confirmed cases/deaths, that is all.

He's not taking issue with your post, only using it to springboard into partisan political posting which will be acceptable here despite warnings to the contrary because it's a right-wing (and racist) talking point.

Stats, data, and % rates are racist? Please don't ruin this great thread, there are actually intelligent people here (hard to find on the internet), thank you.

Fwiw I went ahead and paid the $140 and got the antigen test. They just had me wait in the parking lot and brought results out within 10-15 minutes. So I am now the proud owner of a somewhat reliable negative test result. I guess that's more useful than a more reliable result 2 weeks from now.

Is there a reason they aren't utilizing multiple antigen tests to combat the false negatives, instead of just relying on the pcr test that is so backlogged? Or are they already doing that in places? Or if someone has a false negative are they likely to have repeated false negatives?

Its not a red state/blue state issue at all. You see the exact same demographic dynamics in red and blue states. The point is that if herd immunity was even a thing, it wouldn't be evenly distributed at all, and most communities even in hard hit states shouldn't be expected to have any immunity.

The bottom line is, despite 170,000+ deaths, we probably shouldn't expect any herd immunity anywhere in the United States as we head into fall.

Apparently all strong argument positions require insults. So no, dumdum, how you interpret and present them certainly can be (do you even causation, bro?) Address kel's political posting instead of my reply.

Population Density is acting as the causative factor for why African Americans/Hispanics have this discrepancy with infection rates? Look, regardless of the cause, it is literally ****ing irrelevant. It is not racist to bring up anyways. Maybe African Americans have lower Vitamin D, and are therefor more likely to have worse symptoms, therefor receiving a test, BY THE WAY! I have not done any research on the specific topic of race disparity/infection rates, the point I am making is that saying African Americans/Hispanics are making up the majority of infected, is still not racist! The causative factor is not really relevant to your dumb "racist" comment. If you think he is wrong on the causative factor, then debate him, instead of crying racism.

When you know what correlation and causation are AND you do know race is NOT the only correlating factor (pop density, for example) AND you don't know race is causative, then mentioning race without the other(s) correlates AND without mentioning it's only a correlation... is kinda racist. Add in kel's posting history and you got a bingo. Thank kel for the derail.

Stop being wrong AND so sure you're right.

How many confirmed cases are there of people getting it twice (or more).

So sure I am right? I am always asking questions in this thread when I am unsure for how people came/come to certain conclusions. You simply came in here and called someone racist because they said African American's/Hispanics were getting infected at a higher rate.

It is best just to ignore Max's trolling. He doesn't have the manic energy or stamina of Cupee, so he will just drop his one-liners and leave unless you engage him.

Actually this is what they said,

“People who have tested positive for COVID-19 do not need to quarantine or get tested again for up to three months as long as they do not develop symptoms again,” the CDC said in its updated guidance. “People who develop symptoms again within three months of their first bout of Covid-19 may need to be tested again if there is no other cause identified for their symptoms.”

--And it takes some giant intuitive leaps to get from there to your statement. Neither the CDC, or any other public health or medical body, has made any definitive statement whether someone could get Covid twice, and in what timeframe, because they simply don't know.