You keep posting numbers without ever doubting their validity

There have been areas posting 100% positive rates without anyone doubting them

People even in the government post positive results then negative and vice versa

Testing huge swaths of people once then taking that data and making one size fit all policies is ******ed

You were arguing to flatten the curve originally then went onto saving lives now into saving as much as lives as possible at the cost of everyone's livelihood

I heard there is a quick (but expensive) spit test that gives results almost immediately. That is what they need and they need it to be affordable. Waiting 4-6 days for a result is a joke. The government seems to have throw a ton of dough at testing but the labs just can't keep up with the results and having huge delays. If you could reasonably test everyone entering a venue, school, business etc. and get a quick result we are back to normal tomorrow.

Yeah, contract tracing (which requires testing) is the #1 way to beat the virus. Solid contact tracing and isolation teams are the reason for all successes in Europe. For example, here is Croatia. You can see where they opened up and let hordes of tourists in after eradicating the virus from their country. Everything is packed with tourists from all over the world and has been for two months, and bars, socializing etc is like normal. Yet they're containing this brilliantly thanks to local teams that know and vigorously trace and quarantine contacts of every single case that comes to their attention. This is their daily new case count:



In America there's no possibility of this kind of central control and forced compliance. In the US, contact tracing effectiveness in a region depends entirely on whichever bureacratic cuck is in charge, and the cuck chain goes 2-5 layers deep a lot of the time (state -> county -> mayor -> local health commissioner -> local teams) with their own prerogatives and chains of command and interest levels in actually doing something and competence levels in making that happen. Local US health departments are procedural bureaucratic in many areas and not nimble. The NYT says:

Democrat NY for example has 35% compliance with contact tracing (I mention Democrat and NY to show the broadness of this problem; it's not about leadership or politics or even having seen it first hand as NY did - it's a far deeper problem rooted in the attitudes of the US populace itself, which I predicted months ago and the dickheads like Cuepee and WorldBoFree fail to understand).

This decentralization into thousands of local health areas and administrations, an unruly populace, laws and customs that make forced quarantine hard, low social responsibility and cohesion, make it impossible to have the same impact as Europe, but it's such a powerful tool that can take R below 1 by itself when done well, and any bit helps slow the spread, so it should definitely be tried as much as possible. And is being tried - Trump and the CDC are pushing like crazy to improve contact tracing efforts and teams everywhere, but the health administrations are so fractured and many local areas so incompetent or uninterested that there's only so much that a top down effort can do. Even with the best teams you can't contact trace effectively when populations are so selfish and short sighted and full of bravado and stupidity that less than half of them even respond to tracing efforts because they don't want to be hampered and think they're fine.

Agreed.

It is has never been about any one aspect but arguably god contract tracing is the lynchpin that ties them all into an effective program.


Arguably if you have that, then you could even go without mask wearing and social distancing (not that I would recommend that) but you would need a lot quicker testing and a bigger army of contact tracers to act instantly to get the infected out of the populace and isolating.

Pool testing is the future of this.

Waste sewer water, and single tests that are applied to large groups of the society at once, and when virus is found in any one pool test than local resources swoop in and separate out that pool and apply individual tests as needed.

They already 'pool test' sewage runoff water and can tell you that for instance on weekends certain drug use spike, etc. That will be the future for covid. No need to test individuals in a pool if you clear the entire pool. And instead apply swift laser focus where you find virus.

Why is it so tough for so many Americans to comprehend the most basic things.

testing is overblown lol. what does that even mean.

Oh, the irony. The guy who says he doesn't get testing and that testing is overblown doesn't want cuepee in this thread. These are some of the stupidest takes I have ever seen. Testing in the UK is fast, contact tracing seems decent, and we have been able to open up pubs and restaurants without cases increasing. But sure, you don't get testing.

lets keep the politics to a minimum plz, there's a politics forum for that. Feel free to discuss policy decisions and the impact on covid, but posting about the general election and mail-in ballots and voter fraud, you'll get temp banned

also guys, now that I have posted the above warning, feel free to shoot me a PM letting me know when the discussion goes off the rails so I can take action. I just dont see everything that happens on my own so plz reach out

Have you been tested? If so could you share an account of your experience? Thanks

How long does it take from the time you receive your test until you know the results? Have you been tested? If so could you share an account of your experience?

I haven't been tested, but I know several (7 or 8) people who have and also have a friend in the NHS. Everyone got their results within a day. There was one person who had symptoms in the afternoon, drove straight to a drive in test center, got tested in less than 20 minutes, and got the results before work the next day. He tested negative and only missed half a day of work. Even reading on r/coronavirusuk, there seems to be only good stories about testing and nothing negative. UK's initial response was worst in the world, but now we seem to be doing really, really well.

You mean to say the positive test rates are up? I don't think that's true. I feel like they've been basically flat to slightly down for a few weeks nationally. Is there a graph you could link to?


It's likely to be confounded by other factors, the most salient to me is kids going back to school. So we may never know. I think cooler weather will actually reduce R0 in Southern cities since people won't be crammed inside running the A/C. I think colder weather is only going to matter to places that haven't been hit hard and that get cold enough that people are going to want to close windows and be inside. So Oregon, Idaho, Montana, etc. I'll hold you to your prediction that it will be a war zone all over the US in three months though, provided COVID doesn't kill me by then.

It's not just covid. In the UK and I assume elsewhere, health systems come under huge strain every winter from flu/coldness/etc. Any serious covid problem on top of that would be a catastrophe.

We also don't know much about how they will interfere with each other. Covid plus flu? Covid plus some other mild respiratory illness? It doesn't sound fun although we might get very lucky with some blocking. There's also the problem that someone pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic could be much more dangerously infectious if they also have a cough.

Does anyone know of a good source for figuring out self-treatment with HCQ, Z-pac and zinc? I'm looking for exact doses, preferrably also aimed at treating younger people as well.

I am amazed at the consistent high death rates in USA, Mexico & Brazil.

While we are in summer months where deaths should be lowest.
None of these countries have shown any real ability to decrease the death rate.

Do you guys think this will keep up?

If we assume the following LT daily averages:
USA 800
Brazil 1.000
Mexico 600

USA will reach 1.000 death/capita in 209 days
Brazil in 113 days
Mexico in 131 days.

Which might seem long, but if we take the Italy lockdown as the starting point of this whole mess, Corona has now been going on for 150 days.

Do you guys think these countries will eventually become the top 3 of most heavily hit countries in the world in terms of death? Or will it come down at some point? Or will new measures be announced before it gets this bad?

Obviously we have to see what happens in Europe with wave 2, as well as what happens in the whole world when September & flu season roll around.

In Brazil, it is currently the winter, sir.

Thanks.

I live in the USA. My wife has been tested twice. Got her results within a day. However, depending on where you live there’s a can be a pretty high bar to get over to actually getting tested. My wife was tested the first time prior to surgery. The second time, she had to answer a set of questions. If the answers were such that it was determined that she needed to talk to a doctor then she had to talk to a doctor. Then if the doctor determined she needed a test a test was scheduled. Took a few days to get tested. It turned out that she had pneumonia as a complication of her surgery. For those that are infected but are asymptomatic, how can the process she went through be any good?

Isn't that like spring in England?

You had one job to do . . .

Sounds like we need a change. We're not going to do YOUR job for you.

Nursing home deaths in NJ and NY have skewed USA death rates. If you assign FL death rates to NY and NJ USA is reduced by 22%. Cuomo is taking a lot of flak for his edict to return COVID-19 infected patients back into nursing homes.

Calm down. You apparently care about the quality of this forum and this thread, in that case I suggest you be an active part in making it better. I can sympathize with Ahnuld and others who don't want to read through all the drivel in this thread.

Ahnuld is a volunteer, not a paid mod. Nobody can be expected to read through BFI and mod every post for free. That’s more than a full time job.

And the winner of the award for dumbest post in this AIDS infested thread is..

lol.

for a longer reply, read the 3 posts above this one, they answered for me.