back story. meat eating alpha needs socializing to not be sad. BETAAAA

Goal post shift ftw.

There are now bots who sound less autistic.

Trolls too, apparently.

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CA Indian casinos open defying Governor

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they are asserting their sovereignty - their right as they see it to make a decision without state governmental approval



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/u...gtype=Homepage

0.4% seems ridiculous for "symptomatic case fatality ratio". All the data points to 3x that. I assume there are just (broken) model estimates pre large amounts of antibody data showing >1% IFR? The page says:

So I assume it's simply awful model estimates, a full month out of date before the antibody data rolled in and settled the question at >1.3% symptomatic death rate (>1% IFR). The experts got it wrong again. Shocker.

There's definitely a large cost, major recessions are bad for life and health. And that's without counting the ripple disruption effect of two months lockdown on life planning and outcomes, or the 5+ weeks x 3 billion people spend forcibly indoors = 300 million person-years lived suboptimally = 4 million person-lives live suboptimally.

Still, I'm not sure there was a choice. Antibody data from France shows 4.4% of the population had it while hospitals strained to capacity after lockdown. 5% of Spain. Etc. Without lockdown the death toll would have been insane as the hospitals got too full and people started dying in the streets Wuhan style as the >6% needing hospitalization can't get it.

So yeah, lockdown sucks but the alternative was 10x worse. And Shuffle is right, quarantine is as old as mankind and we survived just fine. It was the norm for hundreds of years in 30-60% death rate "black death" periods, for smallpox (30% death rate), etc.

you didn't caveat it in any way, just flat out not taking it. Care to explain why?

I certainly wouldn't take the Moderna one, even though Fauci loves it. I don't want my cells hacked by unproven technology. It might take many years to know if it's safe/has long term effects hacking mRNA. I'd take any other one though.

On this topic I have been binging some Roman history stuff (documentary and historical fiction) on Netflix et al., and it is funny because it seems every other episode mentions one plague or another sweeping through Rome.

When you watch English history period piece stuff pretty much the same thing.

This seems to be analogous to poker where you make the mistake of assuming that your EV when you are on a heater is your long term EV.

Yep, plagues happened and devastated populations, usually before they were known as plagues (or what their source was). They were then controlled by quarantines once the sources were better understood. I think one of the major contributing reasons we didn't have iPhones and sex robots in medieval Europe was probably infectious diseases.

The logic is as simple as I laid it out in February: The IFR and more importantly hospitalization rates are high enough that you either you lock down or millions die needlessly. The latter is unacceptable in Western countries so we do the former. That people will see 100K dead (bought by intense lockdowns) and say "see! you were wrong! we didn't need to lock down" is as dumb as it is human nature to be that dumb.

Isolation, testing, contact tracing, and social distancing have been shown to work. Total lockdowns' record is way spottier. Even during ancient times with much less robust transportation networks, lockdowns didn't do much except in the very short terms.

Experts pointed this out from very early on.

The problem is we (US and much of Western Europe) didn't do the stuff that works.

I don't if this is true. But even if we assume it is, it's irrelevant. The point of lockdowns was to buy time and save a million lives, not eradicate.
Then they (in the US) railed against border closures, said there was "low risk", and screwed up the tests so that leaders had zero data they could act on and zero tools to do the things you list. The reason 100K are needlessly dead in the US are these experts.
No, that's not the problem. The problem was that experts didn't take this seriously until way too late, and socialist bureacrats tried to keep test development in-house (which they then botched), rather than use the private sector like Korea, so contact tracing and testing and isolation were impossible. Literally impossible.. So the US and Europe had to lock down to buy time to catch up with testing so millions didn't die needlessly (only 250K between the US had to die needlessly, only that low thanks to lockdowns)

https://apnews.com/dacdc8bc428dd4df6511bfa259cfec44

It is still kind of a pain in the ass to get testing. I have a family member who is a primary care doctor in the People's Republic of California who sees Covid patients and she got sick and had symptoms and her work refused to test her. She could still get tested, but she would have to go to a private lab and pay out of pocket, and her work wouldn't accept the results anyways probably.

For good or bad, there is still a very pervasive hostility by authorities/experts towards testing to mitigate the actual spread of the disease. I suspect there is still extreme limits towards what measures they can competently perform even at this date, and that plays into their attitudes/decisions.

They are pretty competent at telling police officers to harass and ticket nature walkers. So there is plenty of that. But they haven't figured out how to actually do the things that would mitigate disease spread, so they are actively hostile towards doing such measures, probably for liability reasons.

I have never taken a flu vaccine and I never had the flu. I seriously never take meds and I never get sick. I eat super healthy which I think helps my immune system. I don't want to take a vaccine because I have a great working immune system. I basically don't want to change things up.

From a personal selfish POV a vaccine does not help much. Most flu vaccines have 30-50% efficacy. But from a societal perspective, vaccines can slow spread to manageable levels. If people look at the vaccine that way they might be willing to get the shot(s).

So, science, then.

I understand that NYC basically did nothing to stop spread in subways. They did not even perform special cleaning until May. Something so obvious and the authorities completely were either too lazy or lacked the balls to do anything about it. I hope I am wrong about the subway situation there.

More to the point, authorities basically lack the organizational, analytical, and planning skills necessary to implement the best steps to combat a crisis. Look at Newsom in CA, he has no plan, his backtracking and re-definitions show that. He is reacting to people around him from all sides. He is scared out of his mind that CA will not get bailed out and the big industries there will get crushed and takes years to recover.

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I just try and do what I think works best for me:
Low stress, good sleep and I eat a lot of veggies.

Moderna uses RNA messenger method which is basically theoretical and poses risk of making the patient worse.

Although it will likely get past trials first, its efficacy will be debated due to its underlying method and risk. IMO the other vaccine candidates have a better chance in the long run.

If you are looking at a short term play maybe.

Staying healthy and avoiding hospitals and doctors is actually a good thing.

I did not object to lockdowns as a first order reaction to what was then a crisis with little time or data to support a planned response.

Since that time much has been learned, the crisis has grown considerably more in scope than simply a virus, and there has been time to develop plans to mitigate this crisis to minimize suffering for all.

If authorities knew then what we know now I doubt the same steps would have been taken.

Of course clearly the best and simplest step would be shutting borders as early as possible.

Doing nothing would have been fine. They actively made it worse by limiting cars and operation time, forcing more people into less cars. Municipal incompetence at its finest. I believe they did the same thing here in Toronto until someone with half a brain told them it was ******ed.


Hmmm I wonder how many states are going to be asking for a bailout because of "coronavirus"...methinks quite a few


lol?? Actually staying inside all the time (depleting your vitamin D) and listening to fake MSM while getting fat off chips and ice cream is the beta male cuck move. Socializing, working out, eating well, and tuning out msm is the move. C+ troll attempt though.

I'd say 45-50?? I really have no idea, how many get the flu shot? not many, although the dynamics are totally different for this. I think it's mostly a social/psychological thing. If all of your peers are getting it, you will most likely get it. If you run in more alternative circles there is little social pressure to get it.



Normally I would agree, but when it comes to health I put a lot more emphasis on n=1. There's just too much sketchiness and unknowns when it comes to epidemiological studies, they are normally very flimsy. I never get sick and never get the flu shot, ergo I don't take the flu shot, and am quite skeptical about any other vaccine, especially when you have some creepy elites who are pushing it constantly.

It might be worth investigating how the Wuhan lab got created. France was involved (for humanitarian reasons because China is LOL bad at controlling outbreaks) in getting it setup. Then China basically got France and their 50 docs out of the picture so they could run it themselves. Anecdotal evidence points to serious lack of controls. It's basically a nuclear power plant ready to explode.

And a virus performing in a way that no other viruses have ever performed is pretty strong evidence that something is up.

Contact tracing and isolation exists in some counties/states and not in others. I'm not sure how much is bureaucratic incompetence vs test shortage vs simply the fractured nature of the US (it's not centrally controlled, even counties have a lot of power). I'm leaning to a lot of it being bureaucratic incompetence, right down the country level the US is comically entrenched in rules, regulations, demarcations and procedures, almost obsessively so, that make fast action not only unlikely but almost antithetical to the entrenched culture.