Covid oftentimes will cause severe pneumonia, so I can see it as an easy, if somewhat disingenuous mistake/distortion to make to say the cause of death was pneumonia because it was, even though that in turn was caused by Covid.

with regard to covid "burning out" - what happens during a typical flu season? we know that the flu comes in waves during cold months and it then mostly goes away. does anyone know why?

where did u get the pneumonia death stats from?

Oh come on, are people still spouting this crap?

1/ Chinese data is obviously fake. We cannot yield any conclusions from it. Or do you believe Wuhan got hit by something new, and was able to get a fraction of the deaths of regions like NY, Lombardy, Madrid?

2/ CV officially killed 350k while pretty much the whole world stayed the **** inside. Real death count is probably at least 2X that and before this wave is over we'll probably be over 600k official. Where is the proof of all these lockdown deaths? Can you point to some?

3/ Maybe people wearing masks & social distancing was enough, but maybe wasn't enough for where the world was at. We needed a "this is our best shot of stopping this thing"-reaction and that is what most of the world went for. And it was necessary. The large or wealthy economies can take it. Do you know many people who lost their jobs who don't work in a sector that would've gotten ****ed by CV regardless of lockdown or not?

4/ The million deaths was the herd immunity strategy. Sweden is not close to herd immunity and is doing 5-10x as bad as its peers. We'll also see where this puts Sweden going forward compared to the rest of EU. It is not even close to being guaranteed that Sweden followed the best economical strategy. Sweden had the luxury of various advantages (less initial spread from Italy, lower population density, first measures implemented when the infection was not that bad yet,...) which got it where it is today. Which is not ****ing good at all.

Heat and humidity basically.

Current CDC COVID-19 Estimates

Fatality Rates

0-49 years old: .05%
50-64 years old: .2%
65+ years old: 1.3%
Overall ages: .4%

Asymptomatic 35%

@bbfg - to imply that there is no cost in human life due to lockdowns is crap. It is hard to quantify for sure but it exists. To what degree is unknown and you sure as hell don’t know.

People should focus more on the 'unseen'. A lockdown is clear in what it does, the results are directly visible and easy to imagine for pretty much anybody.

On the other hand there's the unseen, which can take form in uncountable ways and might only show up years later. The results of this are invisible and very hard to imagine. But they exist.

vaccination, community spread (temporary immunity), behavioral changes (less inside, no school, heating is off), more sunlight

One thing to look at is cancer detection rates.

Rika thanks for posting this, that explains a lot of the lack of consistency between the real situation and the statistics in the last few weeks i was wondering about while following the american situation.

^^

Lockdown will also indirectly lead to a lot of lives saved, via reduced traffic accidents etc ( a big contributor to death counts under normal conditions), less social drunkenness and violent crime etc.

To immediately assume lockdown has a significant cost in human life is crap.

I would imagine it would not be that hard to massively reduce incidental deaths from Lockdown with correct planning.

It's comparing apples to apples. So it's "covid and pnuemonia deaths in 2020 year to date" and "previous year's deaths over the same time period."

The post right before the post you quoted has the links.

Sorry, I should of included everything in 1 big post.

And for the record, I didn't do the math/figure this out. A redditor did and I merely reposted here so people could see. After rereading my post I see how I did a poor job explaining that originally, sorry.

And his math (other then the mistake outlined in post 1) seems spot on.

Transcript of Mainer vs. Pritzker

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vie...671/ruling.pdf

Moderna feeling like a buy here. Drop seemed to be based on one guy in the study who reported nausea and light headedness after getting the highest-level dose.

What % of Americans will agree to vaccination if a vaccine exists?

Lovebeta,

Thought you were a manly man?

needing to socialize with others for your mental health seems very BETA male. Another fake conservative alpha male exposed. It was a good run

Who knows... Maybe 80%

Gov. Big Boy just trying to stay shut down until the feds bail his fat ass out. Illinois was already bankrupt before this and now its all but done. I can't quite leave Illinois quite yet due to family concerns but as soon as I can I will be outta this as soon as possible.

I saw a poll somewhere that said exactly that.

me and you both my friend.

I would take the under on 80% nationally, but maybe in some states, idk tho.

Saw a polls ranging from 40% to 80% nationally.

I am not taking it.

Is it the Bill Gates nanobots thing?

i'm guessing there is some backstory here

Sounds like a perfectly rational actor. Socialising lowers stress and boosts immune functioning via a number of biological mechanisms.

People might sacrifice this for a time as part of a social contract, but very few reasons for anyone to put the greater good ahead of their own health.