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05-22-2020 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
In addition to the UK government, the NHS will have some tough questions to answer at the end of this.
The NHS has been fantastic. There's unanimity on this in the UK afaics.

Whether that will be enough in the on-coming economic and political turmoil remains to be seen.
05-22-2020 , 11:14 AM
It is pretty chef's kiss to see TS, who has constantly railed against trusting experts and against Fauci in particular, cite Fauci.
05-22-2020 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1
‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’
The government’s disease-fighting agency is conflating viral and antibody tests, compromising a few crucial metrics that governors depend on to reopen their economies. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas, and other states are doing the same.

https://twitter.com/alexismadrigal/s...688215552?s=20

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/611935/

This is a feature not a bug. Red states are really trying to twist, distort or simply hide data to justify WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS. I'm surprised the CDC is going to muddle the data too, but it's hard to believe it's an accident in the current context.

If you didn't see Georgia's attempt to distort data by putting it out of chronological order to make it appear to slope downward, look it up. There's just no way it happened unintentionally.
05-22-2020 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
It is pretty chef's kiss to see TS, who has constantly railed against trusting experts and against Fauci in particular, cite Fauci.
That's what I was thinking!

Although I had never heard of Chef's Kiss before, googled and lol'd. I'll use that now, ty
05-22-2020 , 11:36 AM
Using experts to refute people who love them and claim to be experts themselves is the real chef's kiss.

"90% by November is insane! You're such an idiot! I asked two experts and they think you're way off!" => I quote one of the world's leading virus experts saying 80% chance of success by September for just a single vaccine.

"I'm an expert, the Moderna data is a joke, you have no clue what you're talking about calling it important. You are so out of your depth" => I quote Fauci today calling it a big deal in exactly the same way I did

Total ownage.

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Originally Posted by m_reed05
This is a feature not a bug. Red states are really trying to twist, distort or simply hide data to justify WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS. I'm surprised the CDC is going to muddle the data too, but it's hard to believe it's an accident in the current context.
There's no "too". The CDC (and deep state experts) first gave up this pandemic with their tragicomic incompetence by screwing up simple tests that even small countries and private labs with 1/100th of the US budget got right. Now they give us bogus data that a smart 3 year old could keep apart. Trying to link it to red states is cute and shows complete partisan irrationality. And no, this is straight up incompetence, nothing to do with red states:
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The inclusion of antibody data is one reason the CDC has reported hundreds of thousands more tests in Florida than the state government, agency spokesperson Kristen Nordlund told The Atlantic. The CDC hopes to separate the viral and antibody test results in the next few weeks, Ms. Nordlund said.
A few weeks to separate a bit of data - that's about the same time it took them to find out their flawed tests were flawed, an absolute joke that has cost 90,000 lives and counting. This is the highly competent deep state in action.

Last edited by ToothSayer; 05-22-2020 at 11:42 AM.
05-22-2020 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
The NHS has been fantastic. There's unanimity on this in the UK afaics.
Front line NHS has been fantastic, I agree. However, that does not preclude the possibility mistakes have been made in the management of patients, particularly those dispatched to care homes.
05-22-2020 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
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You said MODERNA is 90% of the way to producing a vaccine. I said no, MODERNA is not 90% that is way off. You clearly agree with me now too.
05-22-2020 , 03:45 PM
I had a close older relative pass away a few days ago (not Covid) but they did spend 10 days in a hospital with lots of Covid patients, granted in a different wing but entrances for all of the public are the same. No regrets but it was not lost on me those multiple, several hours each visits were my highest direct exposure potential since all this started in early March in the US and I began working from home.

Of course my wife does CV tests on people multiple times per week but she is in full PPE. At the hospital most people had on awful homemade masks barely covering their mouth and noses not at all. Saw one guy with a crochet mask, just wow. That's isn't stopping a golf ball much less micron particles
05-22-2020 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Borish Johnson
I had a close older relative pass away a few days ago (not Covid) but they did spend 10 days in a hospital with lots of Covid patients, granted in a different wing but entrances for all of the public are the same. No regrets but it was not lost on me those multiple, several hours each visits were my highest direct exposure potential since all this started in early March in the US and I began working from home.

Of course my wife does CV tests on people multiple times per week but she is in full PPE. At the hospital most people had on awful homemade masks barely covering their mouth and noses not at all. Saw one guy with a crochet mask, just wow. That's isn't stopping a golf ball much less micron particles
My local hospital will not allow any visitors. This week I had to take my mother (93) to a doctors appointment at the hospital and could only drop her off and pick her up at the door. She herself had to be temperature checked at the door before entering. So at least here they are taking no chances letting anyone in who absolutely doesn't need to be there.
05-22-2020 , 04:02 PM
Study finds use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with or without a macrolide is linked to increased rates of mortality and heart arrhythmias among hospital patients with COVID19:
https://twitter.com/TheLancet/status...09107175358465



Full study (haven't read yet):
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...180-6/fulltext

Birx commentary on it:

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05-22-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
If you didn't see Georgia's attempt to distort data by putting it out of chronological order to make it appear to slope downward, look it up. There's just no way it happened unintentionally.
Too good to miss: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...fter-thursday/
05-22-2020 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Front line NHS has been fantastic, I agree. However, that does not preclude the possibility mistakes have been made in the management of patients, particularly those dispatched to care homes.
Fair point, Can't say I'm a huge fan of some of the management but in this case I'm not sure it wasn't primarily a government responsibility.

But no doubt some did a worse job. I did see that patients catching covid in hospital was particularity bad in one (unmentioned) trust. So yes some questions to answer.
05-22-2020 , 07:47 PM
Moderna's cfo pump n dump.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/inves...les/index.html
05-22-2020 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Yeah this was always going to happen.
05-22-2020 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
These were automated transactions that were set in place prior to the results being known. Timing just seems like a coincidence.
05-22-2020 , 09:38 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...6df_story.html

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More evidence emerges on why covid-19 is so much worse than the flu

May 21, 2020

Researchers who examined the lungs of patients killed by covid-19 found evidence that it attacks the lining of blood vessels there, a critical difference from the lungs of people who died of the flu, according to a report published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Critical parts of the lungs of patients infected with the novel coronavirus also suffered many microscopic blood clots and appeared to respond to the attack by growing tiny new blood vessels, the researchers reported.
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Doctors have described widespread damage to blood vessels and the presence of blood clots that would not be expected in a respiratory disease.
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They did not look at blood vessels in organs such as the kidneys and heart, where other researchers have described finding attacks from the virus and unexpected blood clots.
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05-23-2020 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
These were automated transactions that were set in place prior to the results being known. Timing just seems like a coincidence.
Sale was scheduled, news wasn't
05-23-2020 , 03:37 PM
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According to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll, 44 percent of Republicans believe that Bill Gates is plotting to use a mass COVID-19 vaccination campaign as a pretext to implant microchips in billions of people and monitor their movements — a widely debunked conspiracy theory with no basis in fact.
https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-new...152843610.html
05-23-2020 , 08:17 PM
So how are those proclaiming >1% IFR reconciling the CDC "best estimate" of 0.4% in US? LOL CDC, Trump involvement, bad assumptions, bad data? I saw some of the data was limited to 3/1 - 3/31.
05-23-2020 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chytry
I love Yahoo.
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In contrast, just 19 percent of Democrats believe the same spurious narrative about the Microsoft founder and public-health philanthropist. A majority (51%? curious no actual number indicated here, but I digress) of Democrats recognize that it’s not true. (well, actually, there is no evidence to prove it is true)
The Dems are so much smarter obviously.
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That tendency is more widespread on the right, although liberals also believe some false narratives (including that COVID-19 deaths have already surged in states that were quick to reopen).
Ok, maybe not.

And, where did these rumors start?
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The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation did fund a pilot study conducted by MIT and Rice University researchers into a potential vaccine-delivery device that could impart an invisible mark detectable by a smartphone. This study was theoretical, the technology described was passive, and the device was incapable of any sort of tracking or monitoring.
And of course no one would ever track smartphones.
05-23-2020 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
The virus disables interferons that mitigate its replication, but unlike any other virus that has ever been studied, it makes no attempt to fight back against chemokines, practically begging for a cytokine storm to kill its host.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/21/...n-unique-ways/

No government or the CCP-backed WHO will ever admit it, but I think this is further proof that the virus is a biological weapon and was produced in a lab.
Great read. Connects the dots on Covid-19 in a way that you would never see from an MSM source. It also explains why the elderly have orders of magnitude higher IFR.

If one could prove this is the only known virus to behave this way then it's basically a slam dunk. Even with the evidence presented it casts a strong circumstantial case, along with other circumstantial evidence presented. Of course China would never knowingly release data to prove their intentions.
05-23-2020 , 09:39 PM
It definitely came out of a lab. The only questions are which one, and was it accidental?
05-24-2020 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
It definitely came out of a lab. The only questions are which one, and was it accidental?
Cite?
05-24-2020 , 01:09 AM
"US Deaths Near 100,000, An Incalculable Loss"
- NY Times

05-24-2020 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
Great read. Connects the dots on Covid-19 in a way that you would never see from an MSM source. It also explains why the elderly have orders of magnitude higher IFR.

If one could prove this is the only known virus to behave this way then it's basically a slam dunk. Even with the evidence presented it casts a strong circumstantial case, along with other circumstantial evidence presented. Of course China would never knowingly release data to prove their intentions.
Elderly have orders of magnitude higher death rates from getting punched in the face. Connect the dots.

      
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